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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#2,689 ·
I saw Bavaria web site. There are some interesting videos to see about the new Vision 46 with BAVARIA producer manager, and the new features on this boat, in my opinion are very well planed.

I think that other brands should look to this and try do the same. With " less money" you find there a motivation to buy this boat.

When i say " less money " i mean this brand is in general cheaper.

Nordics brands ( HR, Najad, Nautor Swan, X-Yachts and etc...) just announce new models with their scandinavian high-quality building, but we don't see the implement of new features that can help solo sailors.

Bavaria improved their design. But how does these boats behave in blue water passage making?

Another brand announcement is Hallberg-Rassy with is new 55, that will replace the 54. Cockpit is similar to the 412

Hallberg-Rassy - Yachts - Center Cockpit Boats
 
#2,695 ·
Yes, I think the Bavaria Vision is a better boat in what regards bluewater cruising than the "normal" cruising version and a boat that can be adapted to extensive cruising.

But I don't agree with you in what regards HR not implementing new features that permits the boats to be solo sailed. Fact is that even the big ones can be solo sailed.

Recently a lady journalist tested for Yachting world the HR 64 and she solo sailed the boat and as you can see the conditions were demanding.



Regards

Paulo
 
#2,692 ·
Paulo's Propeller

Paulo,

First, that's a beautiful boat. Enjoy! About the engine/prop combination, I'll share a short story. My J/35 has a 20hp Yanmar, and came with a 2-blade classic feathering Max Prop. It made 5.5 kts in flat water at best, and the vibration/cavitation was just not acceptable. I had it taken out, polished, balanced (found it perfect), and tried two other pitch combinations. (It takes some pencil, paper and patience. Manual can be found online). Results: same. I considered repowering to 30hp. Cruising with a weak engine (I confess to motorsailing whenever were doing 5kts or less on sail!) was not an option, and J Boats had fitted the J/35 with 30hp on later models. Here's the unpaid advertisement: I read some articles and ended up calling Flex-O-Fold. Explained the situation, and they recommended that I try their 3-blade, with slightly higher pitch on the 20hp (+1"), in case I decide to upgrade engine later. Result: It worked beautifully. Super-smooth operation, no vibration/cavitation. And GAINED almost 2kts!!!. I rebuilt my 20hp, saved some cash, and can go 7.0kts+ on flat water, or cruise @ 6kts. And I cruise with heavy load of equipment, etc. 40hp seems a bit on the weak side for 41', but if your're looking for speed when no wind or motorsailing, study your propeller options. You have a racing prop installed right now, meant to be sleek when off, not powerful when on, in my experience.

Oh, and BTW, this thread is in a coma! We miss you, but your sailing is well deserved! Cheers! Hans.
 
#2,693 ·
Re: Paulo's Propeller

Paulo,

First, that's a beautiful boat. Enjoy! About the engine/prop combination, I'll share a short story. My J/35 has a 20hp Yanmar, and came with a 2-blade classic feathering Max Prop. It made 5.5 kts in flat water at best, and the vibration/cavitation was just not acceptable. I had it taken out, polished, balanced (found it perfect), and tried two other pitch combinations. (It takes some pencil, paper and patience. Manual can be found online). Results: same. I considered repowering to 30hp. Cruising with a weak engine (I confess to motorsailing whenever were doing 5kts or less on sail!) was not an option, and J Boats had fitted the J/35 with 30hp on later models. Here's the unpaid advertisement: I read some articles and ended up calling Flex-O-Fold. Explained the situation, and they recommended that I try their 3-blade, with slightly higher pitch on the 20hp (+1"), in case I decide to upgrade engine later. Result: It worked beautifully. Super-smooth operation, no vibration/cavitation. And GAINED almost 2kts!!!. I rebuilt my 20hp, saved some cash, and can go 7.0kts+ on flat water, or cruise @ 6kts. And I cruise with heavy load of equipment, etc. 40hp seems a bit on the weak side for 41', but if your're looking for speed when no wind or motorsailing, study your propeller options. You have a racing prop installed right now, meant to be sleek when off, not powerful when on, in my experience.

Oh, and BTW, this thread is in a coma! We miss you, but your sailing is well deserved! Cheers! Hans.
Thanks Hans:)

It is nice to know that you had problems with a Max prop and were able to solve them. Mine is a three blade (Max prop) but I am sure that with an autoprop I would get better results, probably a bit faster over all but mainly a lot faster at 2000rpm. Next year I will mount one.

Regarding sailing, for the first time in my live I have TIME and lots of nice places around, so I only motorsail when the speed goes down 2K:D.

But when I had only 45 days for sailing and travelled far whenever the speed was going down 5.5k I motorsailed so I can understand you quite well.

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,749 ·
Olá! Obrigado:) Só agora é que vi o teu post.

Barcão it is not the right word I guess, barcão is the right word for the Brazilian boat I found out in Tropea: an Amel with more than 50ft. That is a barcão:D

Nice couple with a kid; we sail out from Tropea the same day, bound to Cetraro stay there side by side and have a nice chat. We were both going North but the Amel was faster motoring and they stayed in Marinas while we prefer to stay on anchor so we went on separate routes from there. That's the first time I spoke Portuguese in almost 4 months;)

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,696 ·
Congrats on the sled PCP. Looks like a nice hull shape overall for all point sailing. Glad to hear you finally found a boat for your travels and it sure beats the standard "plastic is fantastic" rigs from the majors.

Never sailed on one but have done a walk-around and looked to be nice. Inside it looks fairly small for a 40 but with 2 and the occasional friends, not a problem I imagine.

Enjoy yourself out there!
 
#2,700 ·
Comet 41

Congrats on the sled PCP. Looks like a nice hull shape overall for all point sailing. Glad to hear you finally found a boat for your travels and it sure beats the standard "plastic is fantastic" rigs from the majors.

Never sailed on one but have done a walk-around and looked to be nice. Inside it looks fairly small for a 40 but with 2 and the occasional friends, not a problem I imagine.

Enjoy yourself out there!
Thanks bb74,

I am still discovering the boat slowly since I am sailing only with my wife that for the first time is trying to learn something about sailing and I don't want to scare her off;).

Yes the boat is a very good upwind boat (if we consider modern relatively beamy boats). It is not beamy for a modern 41ft (3.9m) and has nice fine entries. Two days ago to the despair of my wife (that got seasick) I had the opportunity to see how the boat performed close upwind: 20 to 25 headwinds, sea 4 with those nasty 1.5/2m short waves that come one after the other. I sailed all the time close winded (less than 30 apparent) and the boat was doing 5.5 on GPS against a strong current (maybe 6 or 6.5 over the water), without slamming.

In what regards my needs it come out with flying colors. I had a certain tendency to go against the wind:D, I never understood why, and I really wanted a boat that could do better than the Bavaria or that kind of mass production cruiser boats. They are overall good sailing boats except on these conditions. My Bavaria that had a big draft, top cruising sails and a performance rig would not make more than 3.0/3.5K on those conditions and slammed a lot. These boats have not just the power to cope with the conditions. I guess that was the reason that on that day and on that heading I was the only boat sailing:D.

Regarding space, well, in what regards the size of the saloon you are right. I would say this is a 4 person boats, with maybe more two kids, but the galley is big and the storage space is amazing. Just to give you an idea on the forward sail locker I have a storm jib and a 135% genoa plus 6 fenders. On the stern big locker I have more two fenders and a lot of spare space.

On the interior the storage space and the distribution of the weight is also very good. The battery bank is on the center of the boat, over the keel and on top of it has storage space and a seat and the two big water tanks are on the back of the boat leaving lots of storage space ahead. The chain locker has 75m of 10mm chain and is not full.

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,697 ·
Thanks for the updates and pics, Paulo. Beautiful boat! I suspect the motoring performance can be improved with a differrent prop. The challenge will be to get the increased performance without overworking the 40hp engine. I am sure this has already been addressed by other Comet 41 owners.
Happy sledding!
 
#2,701 ·
Thanks

Well, two days ago I got not a perfect wind and sea but at least one that I could enjoy even if the waves were too nasty for my wife.

The wind was between 14/22K, too much downwind to be perfect without a spinnaker and the waves were big for the med and on the side. Four hours between 7.5 and 10k put a big smile on my face. Of course the boat could carry a lot more sail - I am only using a jib and the main - not properly a good configuration for downwind sailing.

I think it is time to try the 135% genoa (if I can convince my wife). She has a point: this year has been a particularly windy one over here with gale warnings almost every day. For tomorrow there is one with the Bora blowing between 30 and 45K.

Regards
Paulo
 
#2,698 ·
I just can't handle this thread sitting here sad and alone while Paulo is off cruising in his sweet new boat. So, as I am here in the great white north and pilot houses are definitely on my list of possibilities, lets check out the new proposed offering from Sirus, a new 40 footer they are planning to splash in 2014. They are proposing many different configurations and asking customers and others to voice their opinions on what they would want. Here are a few drawings...



and


Sure would be an ideal boat for up here in Alaska and beyond. Here is the writeup from Sirus on the planning of the boat.

Sirius-Werft Pln | 40 DS | 40 DS

Come on everyone, lets get some new boats up here and keep this thread going strong!
 
#2,703 ·
Pilot saloons



Hi Alaska,

Thanks for the contribution.

Yes, they are around that boat for several years now. With all that planning and sailor's contributions I bet it will be a great boat and also an expensive one.

Check out also the other Nordic pilot saloons: Cr Yachts has a new one, Regina de Vindo has a nice 35 and 40ft and Nordship has a full line of new boats. If I had the money for one of those babies and sailed on a cold climate I guess I would chose a Nordship. Remarkably fast and good sailing boats with a great overall quality. Not as detailed as a Sirius however.

There are other interesting and different options, with Southerly, Nordborg and C yachts, not to mention the most known nordic one that just sleeped my mind.

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,699 ·
Dragonfly 32

Hi Paulo,

You seem get on quite well! I´m glad to hear you´re satisfied with your boat, it looks fantastic!

I haven´t posted in a while, I´ve been mostly away for more than a month now. Made one trip to Denmark to test sail the new Dragonfly 32, which I´ve posted about earlier. It was launched in late June. Here is a little video (Yep, that´s me by the tiller!):



The boat is really nice, feels very big for a 32 footer. We had light winds during the test sail, around 8-10 knots of wind. We seemed to go as fast as the wind during the whole test sail. In a gust the wind increased to about 12-14 knots. Top speed of the day, during this gust, was over 13 knots.

As I said, it´s a big boat and also heavy for a trimaran. Around 3,400kg I think, and this requires a lot of sail. While reaching we used mainsail (57sqm) and code 0 (68sqm). You could really feel the raw power when the gust hit.

We sailed for about 1,5 hours, Jens from Dragonfly did most of the sail handling. The solution for the main sheet and track was a bit tricky, with both lines lead to the same winches. I would probably try to find another solution for this. Where I sail we have very shifty wind angles and need to sheet in/out a lot and also change sheet postition on the track. Otherwise there was not much to complain about. Of course the boat is not as lively as some lighter/less comfortable trimarans.

The interior is huge compared to other trimarans, about the same size as the Dragonfly 35 and a lot bigger than the Dragonfly 28. Very nice solutions, I would choose teak trim instead of maple though. Makes me think of cheap furniture from IKEA...







I haven´t yet had time to test sail my mothers new HR 310, but when I do I will write about it as well!

Cheers!

//Mr W
 
#2,702 ·
Re: Dragonfly 32

Hi Paulo,

You seem get on quite well! I´m glad to hear you´re satisfied with your boat, it looks fantastic!

I haven´t posted in a while, I´ve been mostly away for more than a month now. Made one trip to Denmark to test sail the new Dragonfly 32, which I´ve posted about earlier. It was launched in late June. Here is a little video (Yep, that´s me by the tiller!):

Dragonfly 32 Supreme - YouTube

The boat is really nice, feels very big for a 32 footer. We had light winds during the test sail, around 8-10 knots of wind. We seemed to go as fast as the wind during the whole test sail. In a gust the wind increased to about 12-14 knots. Top speed of the day, during this gust, was over 13 knots.

As I said, it´s a big boat and also heavy for a trimaran. Around 3,400kg I think, and this requires a lot of sail. While reaching we used mainsail (57sqm) and code 0 (68sqm). You could really feel the raw power when the gust hit.

We sailed for about 1,5 hours, Jens from Dragonfly did most of the sail handling. The solution for the main sheet and track was a bit tricky, with both lines lead to the same winches. I would probably try to find another solution for this. Where I sail we have very shifty wind angles and need to sheet in/out a lot and also change sheet postition on the track. Otherwise there was not much to complain about. Of course the boat is not as lively as some lighter/less comfortable trimarans.

The interior is huge compared to other trimarans, about the same size as the Dragonfly 35 and a lot bigger than the Dragonfly 28. Very nice solutions, I would choose teak trim instead of maple though. Makes me think of cheap furniture from IKEA...







I haven´t yet had time to test sail my mothers new HR 310, but when I do I will write about it as well!

Cheers!

//Mr W
Now, that is a lovely boat and if you have the money for it go ahead and please invite me for a ride.:D

I agree, the boat looks big for a 32ft trimaran and has more than enough space for coastal cruising.

Scare us off: What is the price of a decent equipped boat?

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,706 · (Edited)
Croatia

Hi guys,

A bit out of the thread, but I know that some of you charter in Croatia, so, after one month and a half sailing in Croatia, a little advice: Avoid central Croatia, specially the Islands, they are overcrowded with everybody looking for a mooring or anchor spot before 3.00 in the afternoon and when you think that there is no more place for anyone there is a guy that is going to put the boat just over yours...terrible.

In the North, a lot less people, almost no charter boats and better sailors with their own boats, more wind, less expensive, in the South (near Dubrovnick and in the Islands), less people and more beautiful Islands. I really don't understand why people prefer to sail the desert and bald Kornati than Elaphiti Islands. Beautiful Island towns and plenty of green. My favorite place is probably the little town on South Sipan, Sudurad. Almost nobody on the anchorage and the Island was almost without tourists when the last boat left. Perfect dinner by the sea.

Lopud is also nearly perfect without cars and with beautiful mountain tracks.

There you have, I hope it is useful to somebvody. Today I am in Cavtat, the Russian Croatian city, I mean, in the port only huge Russian motorboats. Tomorrow I'll be out of Croatia, sailing to Montenegro and Greece.

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,708 ·
Sailing in Montenegro. Expensive to enter (140 € for a boat over 12m , for one week ) but what a marvel! Only big motorboats on the quays, very few sailboats and you can anchor where you want without someone coming to ask you money or saying you cannot be there.

I am in Kotor. Perfect anchorage, incredible city, World Heritage, (google for it). The only problem will be to go away. My wife has decided we stay one more day.

Four boats on anchorage, one of them is American. Met the guys, nice people. Lots of boats with American flag but I guess they are Russian or Serbian boats:D

Regards

Paulo

PS:Here the women are beautiful ...!!!!
 
#2,709 ·
Sailing in Montenegro. Expensive to enter (140 € for a boat over 12m , for one week ) but what a marvel! Only big motorboats on the quays, very few sailboats and you can anchor where you want without someone coming to ask you money or saying you cannot be there.

I am in Kotor. Perfect anchorage, incredible city, World Heritage, (google for it). The only problem will be to go away. My wife has decided we stay one more day.

Four boats on anchorage, one of them is American. Met the guys, nice people. Lots of boats with American flag but I guess they are Russian or Serbian boats:D

Regards

Paulo

PS:Here the women are beautiful ...!!!!
Pics or it didn't happen! You lucky bastard!
 
#2,713 · (Edited)
Hi everyone,
It has been a while since I was active on the thread. I have gone through all the 100 pages or so created since my last visit and want to share with you some more experience from my Opium 39 bought last year and located on the Swedish west coast.

Basic impression is as I wrote last year, after first season. As I feared you need to go the extreme, if I may say so, set up of a Pogo to be able to reach the figures Eric is qouting from his 12.50. I often get questions from people on the quay if the boat start planing early and to be honest, it does not. Basically you need big waves and a big gennaker in 20 knots + wind to start planing. So very much the same as any performance cruiser. But on the other hand we have so much fun sailing it anyway. As pointed out by Paulo, the feel of the boat is so crisp, like a Porsche, not a dull BMW and so comfortable so in the end you always arrive earlier than expected and with no bigger effort or problems.

Thanks to the twin rudders and good hull shape (?) you are always in control and it never stand on it's nose, as many modern wide beamed boats, but instead lifts is nose and take off, leaning on the aft leeward corner of the hull.

We try to find boats to compete with but always ends up with loosing them as tiny dots at the horizon behind us. Still without any magical numbers on the instruments but with a very high average speed due to good control and efficient set up. We also find the boat quite good at pointing, contrary to Erics note on the Pogo, both in low and high winds, but of course perhaps not as good as a competent sailed pure performance cruiser.

Switched to a bigger gennaker (130 sqm) this year and it is a very good size for the boat.

We still marvel at the excellent storage space and the very good look out of the boat through low and big cabin top windows and even level between cabin sole and cockpit.

So in summary, it does not plane very easily, at least not loaded with windlasses, bikes, outboards, dingy, bow thruster, inlines, beer, wine etc. But it shurely beats any Xp38, Arcona 400, Dehler 41 or other similar in my books, taken into consideration the whole package. As my fellow countrymen Mr W seems to think, my closest alternative, perhaps besides the new JFK 38 would be a Dragonfly.

Regards, Anders
 
#2,714 ·
Opium 39, Solaris 37.

Hi everyone,
It has been a while since I was active on the thread. I have gone through all the 100 pages or so created since my last visit and want to share with you some more experience from my Opium 39 bought last year and located on the Swedish west coast.

Basic impression is as I wrote last year, after first season. As I feared you need to go the extreme, if I may say so, set up of a Pogo to be able to reach the figures Eric is qouting from his 12.50. I often get questions from people on the quay if the boat start planing early and to be honest, it does not. Basically you need big waves and a big gennaker in 20 knots + wind to start planing. So very much the same as any performance cruiser. But on the other hand we have so much fun sailing it anyway. As pointed out by Paulo, the feel of the boat is so crisp, like a Porsche, not a dull BMW and so comfortable so in the end you always arrive earlier than expected and with no bigger effort or problems.

Thanks to the twin rudders and good hull shape (?) you are always in control and it never stand on it's nose, as many modern wide beamed boats, but instead lifts is nose and take off, leaning on the aft leeward corner of the hull.

We try to find boats to compete with but always ends up with loosing them as tiny dots at the horizon behind us. Still without any magical numbers on the instruments but with a very high average speed due to good control and efficient set up. We also find the boat quite good at pointing, contrary to Erics note on the Pogo, both in low and high winds, but of course perhaps not as good as a competent sailed pure performance cruiser.

Switched to a bigger gennaker (130 sqm) this year and it is a very good size for the boat.

We still marvel at the excellent storage space and the very good look out of the boat through low and big cabin top windows and even level between cabin sole and cockpit.

So in summary, it does not plane very easily, at least not loaded with windlasses, bikes, outboards, dingy, bow thruster, inlines, beer, wine etc. But it shurely beats any Xp38, Arcona 400, Dehler 41 or other similar in my books, taken into consideration the whole package. As my fellow countrymen Mr W seems to think, my closest alternative, perhaps besides the new JFK 38 would be a Dragonfly.

Regards, Anders
Hi Anders,

You have been so long away that I was worried:i have recommended that boat to you and I was affraid something was wrong:D. Glad to know that you and the family like the boat and suits your lifestyle.

Regarding what you say about the boat, it meets my opionion except that story about beating a XP 38 (or a similar boat). You will go faster downwind but upwind, specially with some wind and waves, the XP will go away sailing more comfortably.

By the way I have read a test sail of the new Solaris 37 on a French magazine (voile and Voiliers) and as you know the French hate to say good things about Italian boats. What they say also confirms my opinion about the boat: Not as fast as a XP38, but a lot of speed in style. They say as a conclusion:

"An impecable compromise: With an interior space of a cruiser boat and performances of a race boat the Solaris 37 is directed to demanding owners that don't want to lose in comfort nor speed. Easy to sail by a couple it is a very attractive sailboat but the very high building quality doesn't make us forget its high price. "

Now if you have the money (the boat tested costs with VAT about 350 000€) that could be an ideal boat for most couples,specially the ones that sail a lot upwind:D

Some speeds with the standard small front sail (Jib):

5k wind at 50º: 4.3K

10K wind at 70º: 7K

14K wind at 70º: 8K

11K wind at 50º: 7.5K

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,715 ·
Hi W,

It seems to me that the Dragonfly 32 is too expensive for you and I find the 28 a bit cramped for cruising.

Have a look at this one:

Advancecruising C329 Trimaran Repliable Transportable Aluminium

Aluminum Carbon boat with enough space for cruising. Interesting concept. Not as fast as the 28 but maybe fast enough at a very interesting price.

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,724 ·
Hi Paulo,

I hadn´t seen that one yet! Very interesting concept, but for me I think a bit to slow. It weighs more than the DF 32 but has less sail area than the 28...:(

I still have my motorboat, it´s not a good market for selling at the time. Hey, if your interested I´ll make you a good deal!! :laugher

//Mr W
 
#2,716 · (Edited)
Hi Paulo,
after all time spent evaluating boats I kind of wanted to spend my time sailing :). By the way, congratulations to your boat choise, I hope you enjoy your cruise. I myself just sailed some 35 Nm in 4 hours and 14-16 knots of wind from 90 degrees TWA from Gothenbourg to the big in water boat show at the Hallberg-Rassy yard. Among other boats the new RM 1260 is here.

Anorher intersting notice from the big Tjörn Runt race that took place last weekend (around 430 boats took part) is that the new H-R 412 won it's class and was 8th overall (with furling main). Overall winner and 3 more of the top ten boats where First 40.

Regards, Anders
 
#2,721 · (Edited)
Hi Paulo,
after all time spent evaluating boats I kind of wanted to spend my time sailing :). By the way, congratulations to your boat choise, I hope you enjoy your cruise. I myself just sailed some 35 Nm in 4 hours and 14-16 knots of wind from 90 degrees TWA from Gothenbourg to the big in water boat show at the Hallberg-Rassy yard. Among other boats the new RM 1260 is here.
That is about the performance of my boat. With 14K at 90º the boat goes at 8.5K with 20º of heel:), solid as a rock. Even my wife has got used to the speed. Very light at the wheel too.

But I am still learning: First time I got over 30K wind I blew both sails:eek:

I don't understand why the previous owner had a 3rd reef on the main sail if the sail hardly can hold with the wind that the 2nd reef can manage (35K).:confused:

I am in Preveza, near Levkas where I could find a marina that called me a sailmaker (Cleopatra Marina, good and inexpensive). Problem sorted out but now I need to start looking for good offshore sails. My wife said that these rip off like paper. She was used to the Elvstrom offshore (tafeta sails) that we had in our boat and I have to say that they could sustain much more abuse for many years without any problem.

The sailmaker says that I have medium racing kevlar sails, good for 15 to 18K of wind:rolleyes:

I have already changed the front sail to a dracon one (that came with the boat), but that is a very basic sail.

Anorher intersting notice from the big Tjörn Runt race that took place last weekend (around 430 boats took part) is that the new H-R 412 won it's class and was 8th overall (with furling main). Overall winner and 3 more of the top ten boats where First 40.
Thank to post about this. I will check it out better.
No doubt that the new Halberg Rassy, cored hull and hi-tech sails has little in common with HR from some years back. These ones can sail:D

That's kind of a joke but now that I have been sailing for almost 2 months in one of the areas with more sailboats around I can make some comments about sailboat performance in the real world:

Typical big production sailboats sail well (and we can see them really sailing) except upwind with more than 15K. Heavy boats don't sail with light wind and the vast majority don't sail at all. When there is enough wind for them to sail I guess that it is too much wind for most of the crews:D). The few ones that I found sailing with lots of wind 18/25K sailed well, specially upwind with waves and that is the point of sail that shows a smaller diferencial of speed, comparing to my boat.

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,717 ·
Hanse 345

Hi Folks

It has been a while but I am still a regular visitor to this forum. My focus has become more boat specific so I spend a lot more time on the Hanse owners forum as a Hanse 350 owner. It is an amazing resource for anyone new to sailing and covers a range of topics that are boat specific or general in nature.

Which brings me to the purpose of this post. Hanse will be premiering a new boat that is to replace the Hanse 355 which replaced the Hanse 350 called the Hanse 345 at the Southampton Boat show. I don't think I can upload an image of the new boat from my iPad so have a look at this link. It is a stunning looking boat IMHO
Hanse Yachts

My thoughts on the new Hanse 345

LOA/LWL- 10.40/9,50

Slightly shorter than the H350. Longer waterline length favours the 350.

Beam - 3.50

Slightly less beamy than H350 whose beam is 3.55. Surprised they didn't introduce chines for even better form stability

Displacement - 6.2 tons

About the same as the H355 with its non cored top sides but quite a bit heavier then the H350 at 5,763 with it's cored topsides. Hanse's are not the lightest cruiser/ performance cruisers around

Keel - 2,030

Love the torpedo keel even if they do snag laid lines from time to time They have made this a stiffer boat with better reserve stability by increasing the weight relative to the displacement compared to the H355. I would say that the form stability will be the same.

Draught - 1.87

Decent draught, similar to H350 and H355. Good balance between windward performance and being able to go places

Sail area - Mainsal - 32.5: Jib - 22.5 Total 55

Less sail area than H350 which has 35 mainsail and 29.6 headsail giving total of 64.9. A heavier boat with less sail area and less waterline length will make the H345 cruisier in nature and slower than the H350.
Set up is still with large mainsail and self tacking headsail which should be controlled IMHO by at least a pad eye in the cockpit set-up and preferably a main sheet traveller in the cockpit and not mid boom sheeting.. Not sure if this is offered as an option but if it is I don't see where it would fit given the size of the cockpit table.
One of the design options more and more nautical architects are going for is to split the cockpit into a working area and a chilling out area. Usually the area behind the helm is treated as the working area and it is here that the traveller is sometimes accommodated. If I look at the length of the boom though, I don't think they have gone for this. A pity.
They have lowered the mast height quite a bit to 15.75 versus 16.43 on the H350 but don't seem to have compensated for the reduction by introducing a fathead mainsail or roach. There seems to be an adjustable backstay which is a good thing in my view. Many of the new boats are doing out without this.

SA/D - 17.6. D/L - 202

This compares with 20.5 and 182 for the H350. The boat must be slower and cruisier in nature. The twin wheels cockpit table and bathing platform seem to confirm this

B/D - 32.7 L/B - 2.97

Versus 32% and 2.98 for the H350. Both boats will be stiff particularly considering most of the weight is in the bulb. Still would have liked a chine personally for even more safety.

Interior/exterior

Still dont like the nav station. Looks like an after thought on the H345 and the H350/355
They seem to have improved stowage in the saloon
Poor transom design on H350 way better on the new H345 - no longer all that wasted space behind the quarter berths.
Like the clutch layout in front of the winches being led aft. Don't like only having 2 winches though
Love the new hatch and port layout for loads of light down below.
Love having the chartplotter at the helm
Hopefully they have sorted out a bowsprit. Have always thought that this aspect has been overlooked on the Hanse's. The Dufour 335 has an amazing removable bowsprit.
Shrouds are taken outboard which has some advantages but a major disadvantage in that you can't fit a big overlapping genoa which you can do on the H350 (but not on the H355) :))))

I am sure the boat will be a dream to sail and the proof is in the way she sails. It does seem though that Hanse are moving the Hanse range towards the cruisier side and Dehler is occupying the performance cruiser side.
 
#2,722 ·
Re: Hanse 345

Hi Folks

It has been a while but I am still a regular visitor to this forum. My focus has become more boat specific so I spend a lot more time on the Hanse owners forum as a Hanse 350 owner. It is an amazing resource for anyone new to sailing and covers a range of topics that are boat specific or general in nature.

Which brings me to the purpose of this post. Hanse will be premiering a new boat that is to replace the Hanse 355 which replaced the Hanse 350 called the Hanse 345 at the Southampton Boat show. I don't think I can upload an image of the new boat from my iPad so have a look at this link. It is a stunning looking boat IMHO
Hanse Yachts

My thoughts on the new Hanse 345

LOA/LWL- 10.40/9,50

Slightly shorter than the H350. Longer waterline length favours the 350.

Beam - 3.50

Slightly less beamy than H350 whose beam is 3.55. Surprised they didn't introduce chines for even better form stability

Displacement - 6.2 tons

About the same as the H355 with its non cored top sides but quite a bit heavier then the H350 at 5,763 with it's cored topsides. Hanse's are not the lightest cruiser/ performance cruisers around

Keel - 2,030

Love the torpedo keel even if they do snag laid lines from time to time They have made this a stiffer boat with better reserve stability by increasing the weight relative to the displacement compared to the H355. I would say that the form stability will be the same.

Draught - 1.87

Decent draught, similar to H350 and H355. Good balance between windward performance and being able to go places

Sail area - Mainsal - 32.5: Jib - 22.5 Total 55

Less sail area than H350 which has 35 mainsail and 29.6 headsail giving total of 64.9. A heavier boat with less sail area and less waterline length will make the H345 cruisier in nature and slower than the H350.
Set up is still with large mainsail and self tacking headsail which should be controlled IMHO by at least a pad eye in the cockpit set-up and preferably a main sheet traveller in the cockpit and not mid boom sheeting.. Not sure if this is offered as an option but if it is I don't see where it would fit given the size of the cockpit table.
One of the design options more and more nautical architects are going for is to split the cockpit into a working area and a chilling out area. Usually the area behind the helm is treated as the working area and it is here that the traveller is sometimes accommodated. If I look at the length of the boom though, I don't think they have gone for this. A pity.
They have lowered the mast height quite a bit to 15.75 versus 16.43 on the H350 but don't seem to have compensated for the reduction by introducing a fathead mainsail or roach. There seems to be an adjustable backstay which is a good thing in my view. Many of the new boats are doing out without this.

SA/D - 17.6. D/L - 202

This compares with 20.5 and 182 for the H350. The boat must be slower and cruisier in nature. The twin wheels cockpit table and bathing platform seem to confirm this

B/D - 32.7 L/B - 2.97

Versus 32% and 2.98 for the H350. Both boats will be stiff particularly considering most of the weight is in the bulb. Still would have liked a chine personally for even more safety.

Interior/exterior

Still dont like the nav station. Looks like an after thought on the H345 and the H350/355
They seem to have improved stowage in the saloon
Poor transom design on H350 way better on the new H345 - no longer all that wasted space behind the quarter berths.
Like the clutch layout in front of the winches being led aft. Don't like only having 2 winches though
Love the new hatch and port layout for loads of light down below.
Love having the chartplotter at the helm
Hopefully they have sorted out a bowsprit. Have always thought that this aspect has been overlooked on the Hanse's. The Dufour 335 has an amazing removable bowsprit.
Shrouds are taken outboard which has some advantages but a major disadvantage in that you can't fit a big overlapping genoa which you can do on the H350 (but not on the H355) :))))

I am sure the boat will be a dream to sail and the proof is in the way she sails. It does seem though that Hanse are moving the Hanse range towards the cruisier side and Dehler is occupying the performance cruiser side.
Very nice post. Thanks for posting it:)

I guess you are right. Now that HR is making faster boats, Hanse is making slower boats;)

But I guess you are right, it seems a very nice cruising boat, more pointing to leisure cruising than to sport sailing. That is understandable, now that Hanse owns Dehler and we will see probably Hanse pointing more to family leisure cruising and Dehler to performance cruising.

It seems to be a stiff and very easy boat to sail , but not my cup of tea. I guess that I preferred the Hanse when they where faster.

Best Regards

Paulo
 
#2,718 · (Edited)
Hi Guys!
I like to let you know that we finally purchased a our fast bluewater cruiser. See below...
This is a used Outremer 50. 8.5 tons, 0.7 m draft and lots of space.
The decision for this boat evolved as follows:

1. Big fun while sailing a Pogo 40: Speed is great! And the Pogos simplicity.
2. Plan for circumnavigation with 2 kids. Need for boat with low loss in value.
3. Low draft very appreciated. Same as speed and simplicity.
4. Pogos (e.g. 12.50) have not enough comfort (e.g. no doors, too basic pantry)
5. Skipped purchase of a house due to other reasons.
6. Visited Catamaran Outremer to check out the 'narrow hulls' and 'limited omfort' people talk about. Seen that this is may be correct from the multihull standpoint but from the monohull standpoint the comfort is enormous.
7. Tried to get the build No.1 of the new 45 model. Unfortunatey it got postponed till 2014.
8. Decided to buy one of the few Outremer 50 due to the even more space. Handling is managable. Anchoring instead of marina anyway preferred.

Our voyage will start next April... Until then we will do some work on this boat.
 

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#2,719 ·
Hi Paulo.

This is a long thread, so I just try to ask you about this boat directly. I hope you don't mind?
Do you know any option to get this Sirius 32 DS in the NA market? Or, is there any boat builder in NA you know about, who could produce similar quality and design? It would be nice not to fly to Europe and ship it over to the West Coast.
Thanks.

Laszlo

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Paulo
 
#2,726 ·
Sirius 32

Hi Lazlo,

Sirius is not a common boat. It is a unique boat and it is made in Germany on a small familiar Shipyard. It is a family shipyard and a family tradition (first the father, now the son).

They sell boats to everywhere, including Japan and they have ways of making the warranty of their boats to be true even without a dealer. They are expensive boats but if money is not a problem and that's the boat you want the best advice I can get you is to go to the Dusseldorf boat show and have a talk with them. I mean, not dealers but the builders father and the son. Who knows if they are not interested in having the boat on display on one of the major American boat shows (west coast) and pay most of the expenses to ship the boat.

Now in what regards to be nice not to fly to Europe, particularly to the Dusseldorf boat show, I cannot agree with you:D:

Dusseldorf is a nice city with many other nice cities at a short distance by train, the beer is great and the boat show is just awesome.

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,730 ·
Re: Sirius 32

Hi Lazlo,

Sirius is not a common boat. It is a unique boat and it is made in Germany on a small familiar Shipyard. It is a family shipyard and a family tradition (first the father, now the son).

They sell boats to everywhere, including Japan and they have ways of making the warranty of their boats to be true even without a dealer. They are expensive boats but if money is not a problem and that's the boat you want the best advice I can get you is to go to the Dusseldorf boat show and have a talk with them. I mean, not dealers but the builders father and the son. Who knows if they are not interested in having the boat on display on one of the major American boat shows (west coast) and pay most of the expenses to ship the boat.

Now in what regards to be nice not to fly to Europe, particularly to the Dusseldorf boat show, I cannot agree with you:D:

Dusseldorf is a nice city with many other nice cities at a short distance by train, the beer is great and the boat show is just awesome.

Regards

Paulo
There are direct flights from US to Dusseldorf with some german airlines, like Lufthansa and AirBerlin. And some north american airlines do so.
 
#2,729 ·
Re: Pogo 12.50

If anyone interested, here is our blog where we share our impressions on our new Pogo 12.50 cruiser just built this summer:
Pogo 12.50 Easy
There are also pictures of several sister ships to our boat.
Hehe, funny, I discovered your blog four hours ago :p

I tried to comment but don´t have a google account nor any of the other required account types. So let me put the comments here:

Sweeeet boat! Please post some more videos and also write some comments on boatspeed/windspeed/windangle/sailsetup. Would be really interesting to here more about this boat and its performance.

I´m still waiting for Eric to comment on the boatspeed etc from his boat, allways good to have info from two sources!

Cheers!

//Mr W
 
#2,739 ·
Malo DS

You got me there:D: Malo DS:rolleyes:

Well, what can I say, they have to build what the clients want.

MALÖ SEMI CUSTOM

I cannot say I like the idea.

Regarding the ballast, it is about average on a mass production boat with a bulbed keel and about 2.00m draft. Bigger boats tend to less a smaller B/D ratio than smaller boats.

To have more ballast ratio you have to look for a more sportive boat or for a dedicated bluewater cruiser even if those, due to increase in draft and ballasted bulbs are also coming down in B/D ratio, but not in RM.

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,741 ·
Re: Malo DS

You got me there:D: Malo DS:rolleyes:

Well, what can I say, they have to build what the clients want.

MALÖ SEMI CUSTOM

I cannot say I like the idea.

Regarding the ballast, it is about average on a mass production boat with a bulbed keel and about 2.00m draft. Bigger boats tend to less a smaller B/D ratio than smaller boats.

To have more ballast ratio you have to look for a more sportive boat or for a dedicated bluewater cruiser even if those, due to increase in draft and ballasted bulbs are also coming down in B/D ratio, but not in RM.

Regards

Paulo
I'm with Paulo there. As much as I like Malo the DS models do absolutely nothing for me. All in all I simply cannot understand having all that glass but you still cannot see out when sitting down in the saloon.
 
#2,740 ·
Bavaria cruiser 33

New boat from Bavaria, substituting one of the most popular boats of their line, the 32/33.

The 32/33 was a great boat with lots of interior space and relatively fast. This one as about the same weight and ballast ratio of the previous model but the underbody keel and ruder are more modern and efficient. It looks good to me: a lot of boat for the money.







 
#2,745 ·
Re: Bavaria cruiser 33

New boat from Bavaria, substituting one of the most popular boats of their line, the 32/33.

The 32/33 was a great boat with lots of interior space and relatively fast. This one as about the same weight and ballast ratio of the previous model but the underbody keel and ruder are more modern and efficient. It looks good to me: a lot of boat for the money.







Hi Paulo

Busy cruising the Croatian islands and took your tip to visit the Elephite islands. Anchored out in Sipanski Luka on the island of Sipan opposite Sudurad. Great place to visit.

The new BAvaria design is the first Bavaria that I could actually like aesthetically. The boat looks as if it has been designed by Beneteau, Jeanneau or Hanse :)

A huge improvement looks wise to the current cruiser range. Personally I don't know what Farr was thinking with all this ports and hatches on the current range.

All the best
 
#2,744 ·
Thank you everyone for all you have contributed to this thread. Next year, we are back in the hunt for a new boat and so many different ideas have come up in all of these posts. Trying to find the ultimate short-handed cruiser racer is a challenge, but many contenders appear here. Thanks!
 
#2,748 ·
Hi, welcome to the thread.

There is not a ultimate short-handed cruiser racer, that is for sure. It all depends of what you want to do with the boat but surely there are some that are better than others;) at least in some situations.

I have been busy on the last weeks, first sailing the boat from Greece to Rome (Fumicino) and then preparing it for the winter time, but I am back home at winter quarters:D and I will be more active on this thread.

Soon I will post some comments that you may find interesting. I guess that in 3 months sailing some thousands of miles with my new boat in an area that have one of the biggest density of sail boats have permitted to compare the performance of my boat ( that I think is typical of that kind of boat) with many other types and I got some surprises, not all good but certainly interesting.

Best regards

Paulo
 
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