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08-02-2014 09:44 PM
caperss
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

I am in the same place Dsullyec1 was in two years ago. I have decided on an older 1982 Vagabond 42 Ketch. I plan to have it surveyed by a pro. This is a big jump for me and a long time dream for the wife and I. We plan to live on it while learning to sail. I will be using the engine to putt around until I feel confidant that both of us (56 and 60) can go for the long haul and crew this boat. For now it will be my home as I clean her up cosmetically and attend to any mechanical/electrical needs. I figure by the time she is ready for open water we will be too. I admit I am nervous about retiring and living life as it should be lived but then again its time to live life so I am doing it!
07-03-2014 12:40 AM
sailcay
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

New to this site and trying to get 10 post
04-08-2014 06:00 PM
sonsunmandelin
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

one may master a sloop, then you become avid at it, then a gaff rig falls into there lap, and it seems as if one has no clue on anything, until you learn by sailing it over and over, but
, then sail a junk rig, and then its like "what the...?,lol then sail a cat rig and the physics, counteracts the last ones, not to mention all the combinations of customized rigging,
, then when one transfers to a multihull, that moves 15 knots against a 10 knot wind, they will still scratch there heads, you see it has takin me 25 years, at it every day, and a dozen or so boats later, and i am still, a neophyte, learning never ends
one boat at a time, one system at a time, and only one project at a time!
03-05-2014 02:34 PM
Ashley Gracile
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

thank-you great info
03-05-2014 12:53 AM
Regors
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

[quote=dsullyec1;927701]Yes, we agree with you on this. If it came down to actually buying it, we would have the survey's done.

Typed in the link you suggested and couldn't find any articles by SailingDog or Boatpoker. However, did come across some interesting articles. We're both reading a lot now, which is helping us to learn. Going to look up the book on Amazon...see if they have it.

Personally, I think my husband and I need to do a lot more reading up on sailing, boats, pros and cons of boats, sea currents, weather, etc., etc., etc, before thinking of sailing. There's a lot to know here, and, to me, it's like learning a new language. Thanks for your feed back...every bit of info helps guide us along this new "blue road".[/quote]

Spend the summer taking sailing lessons before looking at boats in the flesh. It will give you more confidence and when you find what you think you want you can at least take it for a sail before buying. Get a feel for how difficult it is or isn't to sail.
11-29-2013 11:21 AM
titustiger27
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

[quote=SlowButSteady;927506]I would suggest buying a relatively cheap live aboard boat now and sailing the bejeezus out of it locally for a year or two (at least). Get used to the whole idea of living on a boat, and hone your sailing skills, while you figure out just what sort of boat will meet your needs. Then, when you do start looking for the boat you're going to take on "the big adventure" you'll be in a much better position to get right boat, AND you'll be much more likely to have the skills necessary to complete your voyage. Otherwise, you could easily leave in the wrong boat and without the experience you need to stay relatively safe.[/quote]

(I know this is after the fact for the first post questions..)

I like this. I have owned two (small) sailboats: a LoneStar 13 and a Paceship P-12. The first I loved, but the second was not the first boat. Besides the first being bigger when I was smaller and the second being smaller when I am a bit bigger, I liked the design of the first better.

I am in the market for a third and I feel all the things I learned from both will help me find 3Charm (sounds like a good name). (little things like, look at the trailer. Even if it is free, it has to work.)

Now only does having a first boat help you sail better, it will help you buy better.

My boat purchases were 31 years apart, so the more recent had the more valued experience.

There are a lot of things about sailing, that has little to do with hoisting a sail:

1) where are you going to store it... in the winter, in the summer, in the bay with an anchor.

2) how do you move it, if it leaves the water (my boat was in great shape --- the trailer which was the means to sailing --- not so).

3) most everything is cheaper with smaller boat.. so when you repair the outboard, you know the value to maintain the future inboard

4) companions... I had expected to have a couple friends willing to sail (and rig at the dock) but those people never materialized.

5) what do you like (or don't) in the set up.
a) I need a higher boom, since my limbo skills have diminished
b) the P-12 had an area below the cockpit that -- when capsized -- added 30 minutes to bailing (not to mention I had to get it to shore to do so)
c) the LS13 had better shackles and stays for rigging... If I kept the P-12, I would have changed that.
05-12-2013 09:29 AM
outbound
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

Seems to think many of the new boat owners buy a new boat as their "last" boat after 10-30y of sailing ad multiple prior vessels. They go into it knowning full well they or their estate will face 30-50% loss. However, one gets one pass and only one life. Having a vessel that meets their needs and desires more than compensates for the economic loss. Especially in a blue water boat where you know you are betting your life on the vessel. Having less than a week and 1/2 before I take poccession of my "last" boat would deferentiate between custom/semi custom builders and production builders. You are betting on the reputation of a custom house. Do the due diligence get what you want but listen closely
05-12-2013 04:46 AM
djaustralia
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

If your in the market for a power boat you should see this series of 89 videos on youtube. The guy's channel name is "frisco jarrets / DIY boat repair'. In particular I refer to the '1995 Searay 220 rotten deck and stringer restoration'. Not related to sailing but it gives you a good idea of the pitfalls of buying a boat that you believe to be 'water ready'. You gotta' feel sorry for this guy. In his own word he spent a bunch of money on a boat that was supposedly lake ready. He even went out on the water with it before purchasing. I can't imagine what he was feeling after he found the problems but I think he said it made him feel quite ill momentarily. Just lucky he had the ability and the know how to fix it. You just never know what you've got 'till you've got it!
12-21-2012 05:20 PM
dsullyec1
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

Just to let you all know, we ended up buying an S2-11C and had a survey done. A good thing, too. Not a whole lot wrong with it, but a little delimitation that the owner is having fixed now. Everything else checked out ok. It has lots of electrical equipment already on it, that's is fairly new. The insides are cozy and very liveable. We will be moving aboard the first week in January and found a very nice marina in Kemah, TX where we'll be staying until we both have the experience we need to do long, extensive trips. We're excited to get this new adventure started!
10-17-2012 11:15 PM
dsullyec1
Re: The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 1

[quote=oldragbaggers;935121]Good Old Boat magazine is a great source for finding and fixing equipping good old boats. They do an article in each issue of a different old boat and usually go into great detail about strengths and weaknesses of the particular boat, what price range you can expect to pay, what to look for in the way of repairs, etc.[/quote]

Sounds like an excellent magazine, and will check that out. That's one thing we were talking about today while looking online at used boats, about the strengths and weaknesses, price range, repairs, electrical equipment needed and not needed, etc. We're trying to learn about the boats with reputations for being strong, sturdily made boats, and the ones that might hold up better over time. We are researching boats as we learn of them. Today we learned a bit about the Tayana, Tartan, Swan, S & S, and the Cheoy Lee. Never heard of most of these, but now we are familiar with them. I think for just everyday boat living (which we'll be doing full time), my favorites for comfort are the CSY and the Catalina so far. But we're still researching. Not so sure about the older Catalinas...they're aren't a lot of them, and they're pretty pricey. But nicely laid out interior for living quarters. More research!!! Thanks for the feedback and the tip on the "Good Old Boat" magazine.
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