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11-18-2013 10:04 AM
azguy
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

Did the OP ever make the trip and report on his experience...???
11-18-2013 07:33 AM
smurphny
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

I once had a nuclear sub surface about 500 yards away about 10 miles outside of New London. It was like a scene from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea with a bubbling sea monster coming out of the water. I don't know if he even knew I was there but I doubt it. Scary.
11-17-2013 11:01 PM
CalebD
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

deep Purple reference, ohh!
11-17-2013 10:41 PM
hellosailor
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

Well Steve, the odds are probably on the same order as winning the Powerball lottery solo, or getting hit by lightning twice. Still, some folks manage to do it, and the USCG, perhaps indulging some USN fantasy, perhaps simply being prudent, bother to warn about it in the LNTM annual issue.

What are the odds of hitting a WW2 "horn" mine after all these years?

But one washed ashore in NJ after TS Sandy last year.

And last week, an explosive ordnance disposal team blew themselves up on a military range, routinely clearing "dud" 40mm grenades. All highly qualified experienced soldiers.

Remember the boat off Hawaii that had her nets snagged by a USN sub, was pulled under and sunk? With lots of accusations and lawsuits following? I think that was what, six years ago?

What are the odds? Dunno. If I see smoke on the water, I'll either turn up the music or hang a 180 and bugout real fast.
11-17-2013 10:30 PM
Networker
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Seriously, you will be crossing the submarine channel into CT, and the short version of that is that if you see ANY smoke or buoy come up out of the water--bugout and make noise, there's something very big coming up under you. Volume I of the LNM can give you more specific details but "stuff comes up, bugout!" is the abridged version.
In all seriousness, as a novice sailor that will be sailing these waters next year, how often do subs sink sailboats? If they do, do they offer assistance? I can't imagine this is even remotely probable, even trolling the sub channel in CT all summer for a decade. I get that's its a possibility, but how realistic?

Steve
07-14-2012 12:58 PM
smurphny
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

+1 on the above good advice about night sailing. It can be vertigo time on a pitch black night with a ground fog. You can run right up on a beach in a place you know like the back of your hand and never know it (don't ask how I know:-) Depth perception and moving lights are extremely difficult to decipher. Make sure you know your light patterns if at all thinking about night running. You want to know when a tug, towing a barge is approaching!
07-14-2012 08:49 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

As for night sailing, the difference between a full moon on a cloudless night and no moon on an overcast night is, well, night and day. This can be timed well and you don't need a totally full moon, as much as the clear sky.
07-14-2012 08:05 AM
smurphny
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

With your shallow draft, you can anchor at Block in places where lots of other boats cannot. On the back side of New Harbor, the SE corner, it gets shallow and smaller boats can usually get in there and find a nice spot. It will be much closer to the dink beach next to Champlin's than out farther. There is a launch service you can call on the VHF as well. I forget which channel. The holding is VERY good in every place I've ever anchored. Have sat out 60 knot winds there. One of my favorite places to sail is between Block and Newport.
07-14-2012 07:12 AM
Tempest
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

Hi Peter,

I completely support your goal of venturing beyond your home waters and taking on this ocean voyage. I think George sums it up nicely when he says that we all want you to have a positive experience on this 1st trip round. With the right weather window I think the coastal cruise to Block Is. and a "let's see how it goes from there" approach should work perfectly for you. I think it would be nice if you had someone who has done the trip before aboard, but if that can't happen, As captain, you'll just have to rely on your best judgement.

You can stay anywhere from 2 to 5 miles off the coast and follow the bouys. Keeping the coastline to port and the main shipping channel to starboard. At night you'l likely run into some commercial fishing vessels. They'll be lit up like the 4th of July and sometimes it's difficult to tell what they're doing. ( moving in big circle, changing direction) Just give them lots of room.
You should be able to fix your position by the inlet bouys..Jones, Moriches, Fire Island, Shinnecock etc.

Timing your arrival at your destination in broad daylight should be a goal. It's unlikely that either of you will sleep soundly with the adrenalin going, so I'd have coffee ready in a thermos and plenty of ready to eat food..( sandwiches and such) ready to go.
I keep a thermos for coffee and one for soup ( on cool nights).
I good pair of binnoculars ready at the helm.

The entrance to Block is narrow, but very well marked and you'll see sandbars, if you enter in daylight with no fog.

Coming home on the inside, you just need to time the currents at the Race and again at Hell Gate....so that you are heading east with them or at slack. It can get a little choppy through the race, and the gate, just keep a firm hand and hold your course.

Have a great trip..I look forward to the report.
07-14-2012 04:11 AM
peterchech
Re: Preparations for a Manhattan to Nantucket straight through passage on the south s

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Originally Posted by GeorgeB View Post
Peter, don’t misunderstand what the old salts are trying to tell you, they just want you to have a positive experience. I know that you are thinking, “we all got to start sometime”. It’s just that those mini drivers most likely started off in a juniors program, were doing offshore crewing by high school and were stars of their college teams. You got to be pretty good before sponsors are willing to fork over a couple hundred grand. They had tons of experience before they stepped off the curb. Remember both you and your crew will be single handing half the time and both of you need to be competent in doing things like headsail changes and reefing, alone, and in the dark. Put your summer to good use.

We had a mini translant boat in our marina while it was being prepped for the SHTP. Really cool and very high tech boat. The racer was also the owner of a company that builds them. Bare, it is over $30k and in race condition about $60k. Again, a very cool and fast boat.

For those of us on the west coast, can you fill us in a little on your local geography and your “program”? I sense that you keep your boat on the Atlantic side of Long Island? I know from your previous postings you may be relatively new to the boat and perhaps sailing. Perhaps a little bio and description of your program will calm down the old salts. I, for one am a member of the Single Handed Sailing Society and also have done plenty of ocean racing as part of a double hand team. Feel free to query me at any time.
Hi George! First off thanks to mr. Evans of the single handed sailing society for his wonderful e book!

I don't seriously plan on doing a mini transat any time soon (I have a "real" career and its attendant student debt that keeps me plugging away) although I fantasize about it almost daily.

I am based out of liberty landing marina in jersey city, nj. In 3-4 hours of motoring (with the tide) I can be in long island sound, or in 1.5 hours of sailing (with the tide) I can be on the Atlantic side of Li.

Only 3 seasons of real sailing, about 1 on my keelboat, but I have been crew on a phrf boat all 2012 every week plus the regattas. I have built several dinghies and kayaks, ans refurbished my own boat, so I know a thing or two on the technical side though I am modest about my abilities.

Program? Well, I'm trying to start one with this trip and any suggestions are welcome!
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