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05-24-2013 11:18 PM
i_amcdn
Re: Unused Head

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
While that may well exist, I've never heard of a porta-potty with separate tanks.
The manufacturer of mine has other models that do indeed have separate tanks. I will take some more pics this weekend to show how the current one is plumbed to the air vent and pump out.

Portable Potties

Replacing our one tank model with one of their 2 tanks would even qualify for a <$100 project.
05-24-2013 05:53 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Unused Head

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Originally Posted by i_amcdn View Post
....Next year I will switch it out for a porta potty that has separate tanks. I will plumb it to the existing pump-out pipe and air vent.
While that may well exist, I've never heard of a porta-potty with separate tanks.

It seems you would prefer a traditional set up that drew raw water in from a thru-hull and flushed waste to a holding tank that was vented and had a pump out fitting. All that flushing water takes up space quickly, so having enough room for a large enough tank can be an issue.

Porta-potties recycle to conserve volume, but you'll get no arguement from me. They are gross! Bad childhood memories of family boats with them.
05-24-2013 04:38 PM
i_amcdn
Re: Unused Head

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Originally Posted by andrewalexander View Post
.....The Potpourri toilet does not have separate chambers for clean water and waste water - it all goes in one big chamber.
Portable potties, Sanitation Equipment Limited Home

Man oh man I wished that I had paid attention to my own thread more. I totally missed your comment but we did make this discovery on our 2nd flush. DISGUSTING!!!

We will not be flushing if we use this...we will carry some flushing water for the rare time that it needs to be used.

Next year I will switch it out for a porta potty that has separate tanks. I will plumb it to the existing pump-out pipe and air vent.
07-19-2012 10:51 PM
andrewalexander
Re: Unused Head

I_am...HelloSailor has is almost spot on. The Canadian Edel's from what I can tell used Potpourri portapotties made by Sanitation Equipment Limited. Most of them where Model 707's that have been MD'd. They were installed much like an MSD portable in that it has pump out capabilities (on your boats port side) along with a tank vent (also on your port side). The Potpourri toilet does not have separate chambers for clean water and waste water - it all goes in one big chamber. You must add your water and chemicals and that is what is pumped into the bowl. Hello is also right about the rubber parts.... you may want to give them a call or email. I never did and would be interested in what they tell you about spares (as I recall you can find instructions on the unit on their web site).

Portable potties, Sanitation Equipment Limited Home
07-19-2012 11:06 AM
hellosailor
Re: Unused Head

OK, it isn't a PortaPotti, it is a PotPourri. They typical portapotty is a self-contained unit, but the one you have uses a separate waste holding tank and apparently filters the "water" before sneding it back into the potty to be reused for the next flush.

If that's the case, the plumbing may just connect the tank and potty, with another line from the tank to a deck pump-out. That's not terribly elegant (or maybe it is) but it would keep you legal in no-discharge zones.

Rubber parts typically are rated for a five-year liftetime, even the best of them by Goodyear, Bridge/Firestone, Gates. It if was really never used, any valves or flaps in the tank should still be good but IF you can't get spares from the manufacturer? You might want to rip the whole thing out while it is still clean, and start over. If you can get spares, you still might want to break it down and replace the rubber parts, again just because it is still clean and you'll be buying time on the next replacement cycle.

Clean isn't always a big deal, with rubber gloves and chlorox and plastic bags, old used heads get worked on all the time. Still...if you can work on a clean dry system instead of playing "decontamination"...there's something to be said for that too.

Phone calls are cheap these days. I'd try calling the mfr to see if spares and a manual are still available, and if the spares aren't too pricey, think about using the first set while it is still a clean easy job.
07-19-2012 07:14 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Unused Head

Hope you find the manual, but I think yours has been modified. Not sure that will affect its operation, but there may not be instructions for the mods.

Porta pottis typically have a chemical flushed, or poured into the tank. It is available at most marine or RV or camping stores and I'm sure the correct quantity is on the bottle. Its been a long time since I've used it. To use the bowl, you may want to first do a very small pump to lubricate the bowl. That lever is likely your pump, but some have an accordion style pump. Once you've done your business, you pump again until the bowl is clear of what you deposited. If you don't hear from them, it should be an easy experiment to figure out.

As for the pumpout, if it was added by the PO, there is something that concerns me. To use it, you would just go to a pump out station, press the vacuum in the deck fitting and pump it out. That's all that should be required. The vent will allow air to replace the volume. The concern is that top fitted pump out intakes never get all the product out of any tank. They need some space at the bottom of the tube and once they've drawn as much as they can, some will drain back down the pump out tube into the tank. Think of a straw. I'm not sure porta potti material is designed to have waste sit in them essentially all the time and once odor permeates plastic, you can never get it out.

Just some thoughts. Hope it works out. You have nothing to lose to try it.
07-18-2012 10:45 PM
i_amcdn
Re: Unused Head

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
I just got to thinking, what do the outside of those deck fittings look like? Does the presumed water inlet have a female garden hose attachment? If not, it is probably just the vent, which permits air to replace product while pumping out.
You are correct...it is a vent.

Now if I could just get the manual from the manufacturer....
07-18-2012 08:43 PM
boatpoker
Re: Unused Head

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Originally Posted by tankersteve View Post
On that size of boat, I am assuming there are at least 2 other heads. Perhaps this one really isn't necessary? Before you rebuild it, consider the other uses you may have for the space - dedicated shower, wet locker, dry goods storage, etc.

Not saying you shouldn't look at getting it working but maybe it really isn't necessary...

Tankersteve
An Edel 665 is 21' 10" long and I've never seen one with a head as there is no room for one or for a holding tank. I've seen a couple with portapotty's
07-18-2012 07:22 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Unused Head

I just got to thinking, what do the outside of those deck fittings look like? Does the presumed water inlet have a female garden hose attachment? If not, it is probably just the vent, which permits air to replace product while pumping out. Venting also allows for proper decomposition of waste, but I'm not sure a porta potti tank is designed from materials to hold waste for very long and could permeate odor. If nuked with chemicals, as they are intended, it won't matter anyway, but they can smell like chemicals instead.
07-18-2012 06:48 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Unused Head

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Originally Posted by i_amcdn View Post
yes, emailed both USA and CDN offices.....holding breath for response.
It kills me how many companies never ever respond to their email. I suppose, if they are anything like mine, they get hundreds of spam emails per day and the spam filter can suck up a good one too. Hopefully, they are on the ball, but I just pick up the phone now. All the best with getting your boat back on the water.
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