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07-22-2012 01:50 PM
SloopJonB
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

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Originally Posted by FoolishMuse View Post
No dumb questions???
Does this mean really dumb people suddenly get smart when it comes time to ask a question?
There's a big difference between ignorance and stupidity - you can fix ignorance by asking questions, reading, experience etc. You CAN'T fix stupid.
07-22-2012 01:46 PM
SloopJonB
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

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Originally Posted by bljones View Post
There are no dumb questions.

Exactly, that's why we HAVE questions.

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The answer to both of your questions is, "It depends."

In fact the answer to most sailing questions is, "It depends."

Can you go to the top of the mast on a Cat 27? How big are you, how strong are the halyards, how strong is your winchman? Yes, it's possible for the right person... but check your equipment carefully and have a safety line. The only thing worse than having to go up the mast is only going most of the way up the mast.
I went up the mast of my quarter tonner - a tender 4300 Lb 26 footer - several times. The mast was 33' and I weighed 220 - do the math - that's over 7000 Ft/Lbs of potential torque. A very hot car might have 400 - 500 Ft/Lbs available.

As long as the boat stays vertical there is no torque effect but get a little bit of heel on and you very quickly get a gut feel for the term "tender".

I wouldn't climb the mast on any boat that displaced less than a couple of tons and more is better. A Cat 27 is over 3 tons, so no problem if things are in shape.

Get a good bosun's chair, rig a safety line (a spare halyard), I like to have a waist line around the mast as well, to prevent swinging out and don't do it on dry land - you can develop enough torque to knock a boat off its stands if anything goes wrong.
07-21-2012 09:59 PM
davidpm
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

If you want to easily climb your mast there is an safer easier alternative to having someone winch you up.
Go to a rock climbing store and have them set you up with a static line, some assenders and a comfortable harness.
That way you have complete control. Use the halyard to hoist up the static line then tie the halyard off. Now use the assenders and harness to climb the static line.
You are in complete control and the shive (pulley) at the top of the mast is being used for support only not actually rolling.
It is a good idea to have a helper down below.
As you go up trail a light line below to the deck. That way your helper can tie on any tools or parts you forget.
I used a winch to hoist up a 200lb guy to the top of a 70' mast I thought I was going to die and he was helping as much as he could.
07-21-2012 09:35 PM
JimsCAL
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

Actually, I don't think your numbers are that far off. That is assuming the boat you buy has a decent engine, decent sails, and no significant structural issues. Just plan on every so often needing to spring for a major item like a new sail, replacing all the running or standing rigging, etc.
07-21-2012 08:44 PM
Capt.aaron
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

Great used sails out there. Never had new sails myself. That little pully thing isn't holding you. You want to go up on the hallyard that is running though the sheaves. I basically drapes over the top of the mast. I"ve rerigged a lot of catalinas that size in Miami while keeping the mast up and changing one wire at a time. My boat was built in 1965 and I bet if I T-bone a new Catalina or Hunter I would go through it. Maybe I'll try it. ( Kind of kidding) Those smaller masts, I just hoist up my chair and climb up into it. 1,2,3 shimmy's I'm standing on th spreader base's, 4,5,6 and 1/2, I'm in the chair.
07-21-2012 05:18 PM
pilotman
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

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Originally Posted by bljones View Post
Insurance, fuel, dockside incidentals, sail repair/replacement.
Liability only should be $150/year or less, nothing if covered by homeowners policy (have to check into that.) I don't finance toys.

I don't plan on using much fuel, the whole reason why I'm going into this hobby.

Dockside incidentals - ?

Would like some insight in to "sail repair/replacement" costs. Something I've not had to deal with.
07-21-2012 05:11 PM
bljones
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

Insurance, fuel, dockside incidentals, sail repair/replacement.
07-21-2012 04:53 PM
pilotman
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

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Originally Posted by bljones View Post
If it was lower than you were expecting, GREAT! Your boat will find a way to eat up the difference. If you can enjoy a 27-30' sailboat year-round for less than $5K a year, including fuel and maintenance but excluding rum and beer, you're doing it right.
Ok, so what did I add up wrong?
07-21-2012 04:48 PM
bljones
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

If it was lower than you were expecting, GREAT! Your boat will find a way to eat up the difference. If you can enjoy a 27-30' sailboat year-round for less than $5K a year, including fuel and maintenance but excluding rum and beer, you're doing it right.
07-21-2012 04:19 PM
pilotman
Re: New guy with dumb questions.

Ok, one more dumb question. Maybe this one isn't as dumb, but I already had the thread going so whatever.

Trying to figure up yearly costs for a leave in. All my other boats have lived on trailers, so this is another new one to me.

Boat would be 27-30', I'd keep it at Deltaville, VA.

Slip rental - Lowest I've found online is about $160/month and I know there's cheaper. $2K/year
Haul for a week: $300
DIY bottom painting: $300
Misc yearly maint: $1500'

This comes to $4100 a year, or 3401/ month less than a lot of people's car payments!! This is not my top dollar, and does not include things like buying gadgets, misc upgrades, etc. I've never paid anyone to work on any of my boats before, ever, and I don't plan to change that, so that will save me a great deal of money. This just seems a bit lower than I was expecting, any input?
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