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08-08-2012 05:11 PM
rwy36
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

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Originally Posted by BarryL View Post

One last thing, DO NOT TRY TO GO EAST in the Long Island Sound if there is an easterly wind of 15 kts or more. The fetch to the east is very long and an easterly wind will cause some serious swell and chop to develop. I've tried it, and it's a miserable trip.

Barry
That's a great point Barry, and especially so if a strong ebb tide is also present. Heading eastward with the wind on the nose always guarantees a bumpy ride!

Bill
08-04-2012 01:25 PM
Hudsonian
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

The tidal currents in LIS favor the trip to the east since more water flows in through the East River on flood than out on the ebb and more water flows out through the Race and Watch Hill Passage on the ebb than in on the flood. I would time the trip up the East River to the ebb before flood; use the NOAA Tidal current predictions for Buttermilk Channel as a proxy for the Battery. If you start then you will have a favorable current for eight hours.

Unless you plan to stop at Block Island, you'll probably transit the Watch Hill Passage. Laying over at Stonington, CT is convenient and allows you time your passage to align with the currents. If you time that passage to the ebb, you'll have favorable current to Point Judith.

When in Newport stop at the Seaman's Church Institute for showers, laundry, fi-wi, and a delightful breakfast. Alternatively, Newport provides showers, laundry, and fi-wi at the Ann Street pier.

I'd highly commend exploring further north while in the Narraganset. Bristol and Warren are particularly scenic and architecturally rich. If you lay over in Warren, you may wish to take the Sakonnet River south to circumnavigate Aquidneck Island. At the Southern end of Aquidneck you can get great view of the Newport "Cottages" while paralleling the cliff walk.
08-04-2012 01:23 PM
smurphny
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

When using Eldridge, it is really helpful to look at the graphic map pages. I usually plot right on the little charts my approximate position, hour by hour, taking into consideration the current speed. This works very well for the run up LIS to lay out a departure time that takes max advantage of the current. You don't want to be approaching Plum with the tide going against you. Better to buck tide a little on the other end. It requires a lot of planning. I always plan to be approaching Plum 5-6 hours out of PJ which means leaving PJ 1 hr. before ebb at The Race. I'll motor sail to accomplish this if necessary. This means you're bucking about .1-.4 knots of current on the PJ end. If you left on the turn of current at PJ, you'd run into 3 knots against you approaching Plum. It really rips through there!

If you're going right over to Block, take The Race rather than Plum Gut. Be aware that the rip through The Race can get really interesting. There is a huge rotary current in Block Island Sound that can raise the dickens with navigation. Look at the inset map in Eldridge to explain it. If visibility is poor (which often is the case) a radar reflector is absolutely necessary here. Radar of your own is even better. I would not (now that I'm older and maybe a bit wiser) venture into Block I Sound and north without a radar. Pea soup fog can come in very quickly and without any warning.
08-04-2012 12:01 PM
hellosailor
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

Peter, if you don't already have Eldridge, buy a copy. Has all the current charts and a wealth of other information.

September isn't too late but the choice of going south of LI or in the sound depends very much on the weather. Right now, you might find our own special doldrums, making it impossibe to sail on the Sound. There's nothing like a heatwave with high humidity and zero breeze from 8AM-4PM to really make sailing fun. (Not.) But by September that should change, and make the Sound a nice trip. Plenty of places to visit or duck into, as opposed to the south shore of LI, where there are few inlets and all of them quite dangerous if the weather goes bad. Better wind out there, and some interesting views, but also commercial traffic, more wave action, etc.

You could certainly consider going up one way, coming back the other, making your choices just based on the weather as the trip comes up.
08-04-2012 11:49 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

You can use tide tables and guess at currents, but the best thing to do is use the NOAA current tables: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/cur...ab2ac4.html#29 . The phase difference between state of tide (water height) and current (water movement) varies with distance from open water and the water passages. Pick a time to start and walk through the current tables. You'll find that starting from Liberty Marina (or even from Sandy Hook) you can grab the beginning of a favorable current and carry it all the way through the East River and past La Guardia.
08-04-2012 11:39 AM
wmmulvey
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

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Originally Posted by peternj354 View Post
this is our first big sail trip anyone have any advice tips about NYC to newport RI
How long dose this trip normally take? we have a Catalina 34 all the help we can get would be great!
Hi,

I would make sure I had an unlimited towing insurance package before making that trip.

Great posts here.

I made a similar trip a couple of times. Raritan Bay to Block going inside. I like inside because of the scenery and the vast amounts of places to overnight in.

Stayed in Pt. Jeff
Up into the Conn. river
Mystic.

ENJOY your trip

Regards

Bill
08-04-2012 11:09 AM
smurphny
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

The seasons don't really start to change drastically until November. That's when the big North Atlantic high that rules during the summer starts to move south after doing battle with the northern air masses which move down and give us more NW/N components. Catching the back end of these northern high pressure systems is a good thing if you're headed down the coast.

During Sept., the major threat is tropical storms which historically peak in Sept. and then fall off sharply toward the middle of October. Going south, the best window is when this transition takes place. It can vary significantly from year to year. Watching the 500mb(upper level) NOAA chart patterns is a good clue as to when the seasons are actually changing. If you can catch the back end of a big N/NW high in Sept., it will give you a run or reach all the way NE up the Sound. Don't go if there is any chance of a low following right behind the high. If you catch the high too late, it can also mean motoring in flat conditions. Once a big high settles in, it can mean 0 wind for a long period because by Sept. some of the summer SW onshore breezes have diminished.

I always watch for the type of clouds to determine where a northern high is in its cycle. When small, broken, sharp, black batches of clouds start to appear on the horizon, scudding across the sky, it's a signal that the wind is going to blow HARD from the N/NW at the start of a northern front passing through- not the time you want to be out unless you want to practice your survival sailing techniques.

If you're going the Sound route, you might want to just stay inside and anchor up at Fisher's Island the second night and then go up Fishers Sound past Watch Hill and on to Newport. Day 1- NYC to PJ, Day 2- PJ to Fisher's, Day 3 Fisher's to Newport. Once in Newport, you can make the GREAT sail out of Narragansett over to Block and back.
08-03-2012 10:59 PM
BarryL
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

Hello,

Personally I love sailing in late Sept / early Oct. The water is still warm so it's not cold on the boat, most of the people are off the water and the wind is better. The only downside is the amount of daylight isn't as long as in the summer. If you keep that in mind you'll be fine. Of course, check the weather carefully because you can get nor'easters.

One last thing, DO NOT TRY TO GO EAST in the Long Island Sound if there is an easterly wind of 15 kts or more. The fetch to the east is very long and an easterly wind will cause some serious swell and chop to develop. I've tried it, and it's a miserable trip.

Barry
08-03-2012 10:56 PM
Tempest
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

September is a great month to sail, if the hurricanes stay away.
Warm days, cool nights, much better winds than August in the LIS.

You can get sunburn in October..or snow..

You'll just have to pack a few extra clothes,

Just keep your eye on the weather...you know it doesn't always cooperate with schedules...so you should always plan an extra day or two for weather delays, be prepared to make adjustments to your schedule.
08-03-2012 10:38 PM
peternj354
Re: looking to sail liberty landing marina to newport RI

Thanks so much this is so helpful! you think the last week in September is to late in the season to do this comfortably? will it be to cold?
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