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05-14-2012 02:52 PM
JohnZion
Re: Mariner 47

I was also told that Mariner 38's were stretched out 36's. So if anyone has info on them [36's], that would also be helpful [build quality, sailing ability, etc].

And what do people think about the Hurth V drive transmission in the 38's? Is that cause for any worries? Reportedly rebuilt in early 2000.

And some cabin top crazing [as with Dorys]. And maybe some hull/deck joints that need resealing. Weather helm?

Thank you very much . . .
05-14-2012 02:49 PM
JohnZion
Re: Mariner 47

Mariner 38 [New Hampshire] Looking for any and all info on these boats [maybe 5 built?]. Quality, motion comfort, blue water ability, ease of single handing, things to watch for in an '82 Mariner, and on and on ....

Looking to buy and live aboard one long term, for coastal and blue water. And I've been spilt between full keel and Mariner type keel/skeg/exposed prop.

Thanks for any help.
05-04-2012 08:12 PM
tgvas
Re: Mariner 47

Hi Bob
This is long past time that this thread began but wanted to say that you guys were my heros.

I bought the book when it came out and though I have several dozen sailing books, your Dad's stays at the top to reference many times each year.

Wanted to ask, is this boat manageable by two, or is that asking too much.

Tell your Dad, thanks, he's got to be a very special person,
08-02-2011 02:50 PM
Winds Way Catboatfan: I'm in process of buying your dad's boat. Can I contact you offline to discuss? I have enlisted Ted Brewer as consultant to the purchase but I suspect you have other insights on the vessel and her history.
07-07-2010 05:58 PM
drgould
Mariner 47

Rick,

There were five Mariner 47's built by Mariner Yachts in East Rochester, NH (as opposed to the Taiwan Mariners). Hull #1, Gala was built for Al and Aggie Wolf and sailed by them for ten years. She was a lovely ketch converted eventually to a sloop by removal of the Mizzen mast. She was built in 1980 and goes by a different name now.

Hull #2 was owned for twenty years and was launched in early 1981. She also was a ketch and was a green hull. (Gala was white). She had the same interior layout.

Hull#3, Free Spirit was launched as a sloop in August 1981 with a 63 foot mast (the ketch had a 61 foot mast). I had her built and still own her. Her mast and boom were replaced in 1996 with a 71 foot carbon fiber stoway stick.

Hull #4, Sharazade was owned by an attorney from Chicago who sailed her for at least a decade in the Caribbean.

Hull #5, Whitehawk (I believe) was finished in Florida after she had been seized as part of an IRS foreclosure on the Mariner Yacht Corp.

The hull mold, owned by Al Wolfe was sold to Islander Yachts if I remember correctly and they put out a few 48 footers on her lines on the west coast. They were advertized as 28,000 pounds displacement - at least 4000 pounds lighter than the Mariner version.

The Morris 48 has nearly identical lines from my observation, but I don't know the details of her naval architect. The Mariner 47 was designed by Ted Brewer. The original brochure showed a photo of hull #1. That was a day at Annapolis that Jack Cogswell took my wife and me sailing with Ted Brewer. I am at the wheel in the photo.

Bob Gould
07-02-2010 12:45 PM
drgould Rick,

There were five Mariner 47's built. The first two were ketch rigged vessels with a 61' mast. The first had its mizzen mast removed and sails now as a sloop. She was originally Gala, but is renamed now. I saw her in Bermuda in 2000 and she was owned by a young couple with two kids. She was significantly deteriorated and drab, but they bought her for around $115K.

The second vessel was sold by Stu (?) in about 1998 and resided in the Chesapeake.

Our Mariner 47, Free Spirit, was substantially upgraded since our transatlantic voyage. Her bottom was peeled in 1989 for superficial blisters by Jamestown Boatyard - known as the best - and recoated with a 1/4" layer of vinylester resin. The result: no blisters since. In 1989, electric 3-speed huge Barient sheet winches replaced her old Lewmar 65's and these were completely rebuilt in 2008. Her 63' sloop rigged mast (taller than the original 61' on hulls 1 & 2) was replaced in 1996 with a 71' carbon fiber roller furling mast with extra heavy rigging and a carbon boom. She also had her keel modified with a small fin and brought her shrouds inboard to increase pointing ability. The result: she won 8 of 16 major regattas in 1997 and the Mass Bay Sailing association season trophy as well the Marblehead, Manchester, and Boston sailing season trophies. She took first place overall the following year in the 165 mile Corinthian 200.

She now is a fabulous cruising boat that handles everything well and sails like a witch! She is rigged for single handing.

Back to the other Mariners: Hull #4, Shahrazzade was built as a charter yacht with Free Spirit's interior as a basis, but with an additional head and cabin in the fore half of the boat. That cabin was cramped and had bunk beds. The design made the boat feel cramped and small inside. She was sailed for years in the Caribbean by an attorney.

Hull #5, Whitehawk, had only her hull and deck completed when the IRS put a padlock on the door of Mariner yachts. The boss cut the lock and hauled her down to Florida to be completed by a yard down there. I understand that her interior woodwork is of inferior quality, but I have not seen her personally.

Hope this answers your questions.

Bob Gould
SV Free Spirit
drgould@hotmail.com

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07-01-2010 09:12 AM
gouldjb
Mariner 47 - for sale

whoops - hit submit too quickly...We took this vessel (Free Spirit) trans-Atlantic when I was 10 yr old and up to Norway, my father wrote a book about it ("North Atlantic Odyssey"). Unbelievable experience and unbelievable boat.

I don't think any of the Mariner 47's are anything like Free Spirit (he's dumped well over $1M into it -- he's crazed!?!) A sloop (originally cutter) rig, he customized the keel design, added GMT carbon fiber mast/boom in the late 90s when we got into racing and has every top of line electronic gadget you can think of! :-) She was refitted with new engine, redesigned high-tech keel by Empacher, and taffeta protected, carbon fiber/Vectran sails.

It pains me as it's been such a deep part of our family history, but he's selling her as he's in his mid-70s and just doesn't have the energy anymore. Honestly, I should buy it from him, but don't have the family situation that would "support" the hobby!

If anyone is seriously interested in her, feel free to contact me (gouldjb@yahoo.com) - I think he has her listed with Eastern Yachts - pictures there...

Enjoy the thread and know that whomever ends up with her will have a lifetime of family memories...I'm proof positive.
Best,
John Gould
07-01-2010 09:03 AM
gouldjb
Mariner 47

All, my father owned hull #3. As CatBoatFan states, it was one of the best boats ever built in terms of quality and strength...as good (if not better) than the Morris 48 or Hinckley 50.
04-15-2010 03:08 PM
Catboatfan
Mariner 47

Actually, my late father sold our Mariner 47 ("GALA VI") back in 1990 or '91, I believe. She was purchased by a couple who ran a chain of technical schools in the Caribbean and who lived aboard. Several years ago, I came across a listing in a brokerage page in one of the boating magazines; she was for sale and had been converted from a ketch/cutter rig to a straight cutter. Since then, I've lost track of her. She was hull #1, from the Mariner yard in New Hampshire, where if I'm not mistaken, six of them were built. After Mariner crashed and burned, my dad leased the molds to Islander Yachts on the west coast, which built a few more (undoubtedly of lesser quality-Mariner built some of the finest, strongest fiberglas boats around); that ended the saga of the Mariner 47. Anyone wishing information on the design, layout, etc. might try contacting Ted Brewer, the designer, at Brewer Designs (brewer@island.net).
03-22-2010 11:40 AM
feathercrafter
Mariner 47

Hi I
I didn't know if you still had your Mariner 47 but just in case, I do have several
almost new sails, (Doyle) from a Mariner 47. I realize that there were only about 5
made so it made sense that I find you. Anyway, I have 2 Kevlar Racing sails, 2 Red
Dacron Spinnakers and 4 others which are of the Spectra material and made by North Sails.
I also have some storm sails and a brand new Para-Tech sea anchor. If you are interested
I would love to talk. Thank you, Joe Boston area
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