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08-11-2012 06:53 PM
tdw
Re: Staying behind the wheel

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Originally Posted by davidpm View Post
(snip) I'm now attributing the poor steering at night to the slow speed.
Reckon you've nailed it David. I realise other traffic may have been an issue but if I didn't want to enter or even close on the harbour at night I'd rather heave-to or sail back and forth than slow a boat down too much.


Cheers

Andrew B
08-11-2012 11:41 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Staying behind the wheel

Quote:
Originally Posted by davidpm View Post
He also didn't want to close on the land until light so all we had up was about 6 feet of jib...........

I'm now attributing the poor steering at night to the slow speed.
Very cool passage, by the way! Hope you're still out our way and enjoying it.

That single reefed jib would put some lee helm on you, especially with the main mast forward on a ketch. Thinking it was both that and the speed.

Cheers on the return trip.
08-11-2012 10:32 AM
davidpm
Re: Staying behind the wheel

The P365 is a ketch rig.
Since is was night and we didn't know how high the winds were going to get the owner opted for safety over comfort. He also didn't want to close on the land until light so all we had up was about 6 feet of jib.

That being said earlier in the day we had all sails up.
Reefed jib, double reefed main and reefed mizzen.
During that run we were make 7 plus knots on a run with wind and waves on aft quarter.
The helm was not quite a bad as later when we turned and everything was beam on but it was still a work out too steer, but not as bad.

I'm now attributing the poor steering at night to the slow speed.
08-11-2012 08:27 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Staying behind the wheel

How was sail trim? Might be harder to really know in the dark, especially with the confused seas. I find a lee helm of any kind to be particularly squirrely, but excessive weather helm can cause a lot of fighting too. Did you have the mizzen up?
08-10-2012 11:24 PM
Tempest
Re: Staying behind the wheel

It almost sounds as if you could have hove-to for a few hours.

Agreed, you're going to get bounced around alot if you're going too slow or dead in the water. What kind of sail configuration did you have?
08-10-2012 11:04 PM
davidpm
Re: Staying behind the wheel

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Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
So you went through Muskeget Channel. I think it helps explain the confused seas...
Nice Job!!

...Remind me...did you go through there in the dark?

They purposely timed things so it was getting light as we neared land.

My watch was in the dead of night, I was going about 2 to 4 knots. That probably explains the poor helm as the boat was going so slow and even stopping so often.
Their idea was to rest up while I fought the storm and effectively held position and crawled toward land till daybreak.
At daybreak the storm was over and it was calm and we just motored in the last 15 miles or so.

It probably was an OK decision because otherwise we would have been about 30 mile further from our destination if we ran off all night.
08-10-2012 10:57 PM
davidpm
Re: Staying behind the wheel

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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Unless you're going to be doing this every week, I'm not sure it is worth looking into.
If sailing was like that every week I would pick something else.
08-10-2012 07:48 PM
hellosailor
Re: Staying behind the wheel

I suppose if you had an arch you could install some bungees, or even install them across the cockpit, but wrt permanent positions? One of the curvy helm seats, and a couple of foot blocks placed so you can brace your feet, are about all I've seen. You *could* easily do something like the rib supports on a real bucket seat, but then you'd need to be willing to install at least the mounting points on a permanent basis. Unless you're going to be doing this every week, I'm not sure it is worth looking into.
08-10-2012 07:00 PM
sww914
Re: Staying behind the wheel

We had one short trip, 20 miles, that took us 10 hours. The waves were 8-10 feet and SQUARE. Coming from both dead ahead and dead abeam. The prop was coming out of the water as we tried to motor directly into the 35 knot wind. The only way to steer was to stand behind the wheel with our legs wide, all the way apart until our feet were braced against the sides of the cockpit sole.
08-10-2012 06:18 PM
Tempest
Re: Staying behind the wheel

So you went through Muskeget Channel. I think it helps explain the confused seas...
Nice Job!!

...Remind me...did you go through there in the dark?
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