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03-18-2013 03:21 PM
tdoster
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

The damage caused to the pipe. Did the owner have you sign a contract that stated you would take responsibility for damage? Did the crane opperator have you sign a contract stating you would not be responsible for any damage? Normally, not the case and you probably could have gone against the insurance companies for the yard or especially the crane for any damages caused to someone other than.

Worst case, your liability on your boat insurance or even homeowners may have paid the $3000.

That is what we all pay insurance for.
08-13-2012 11:29 AM
Caille
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

There are a few serious presumptions in your post. Ones that also allude to you not learning the lesson here that we should read before we reply.

I did find a shipper to move my boat from Texas to Seattle in the proper range. I did nearly everything you suggested within the ability I had to do so.

The issue was NOT with the truck company.

The issue was with the rinky dink, boat yard that was "not a boat yard proper", that had no equipment, no boat lift since theirs was ruined in Ike, and no idea how to get boats out of their yard. The issue was with the yard owner, who did not warn anyone that the neighbor had recently laid pvc sewer piping thus making a crane hard to manage as well; who did not reply to my desire to move my boat until he was threatened with litigation. The man who used his wife as a shield for liability, having her tell us where to put the crane so that when his neighbors new pipe was damaged he could claim he never told us to use that area and say his wife had no knowledge and anything she said was invalid as result. The man who has basically consigned the remaining boats in that yard to a slow sun beaten death, as he will not buy a new lift he says.

Now each boat owner in that yard is forced to evaluate if they want to hire the ONLY major crane company in Houston that will do boats (B&G Crane great guys, and trust me on them being the ONLY. We called every crane company in Houston), and then be forced to pay a Union Crew a full 8 hours (minimum job). For us that meant the 110 Ton Boom Truck and it came out to $3450.50

The issue was never with Winston Trucking Inc. who have been nothing but amazing. Who provided me with just about everything under the sun I could want. I have never dealt with, for one second, a broker for shipping. I deal directly with Winston Trucking, and talk to both dispatch and driver daily. I went through UShip, I did not take the lowest bid, I took the bid with the best feedback, best equipment, best history with larger sailboats and the best insurance.

The issue lies solely with the choice the former owner made in yard storage. He chose what amounted to someone's empty lot, far from backup boat lifts, where there was one and only one lift that a hurricane ruined. The issue lies solely in that yard.

Regardless. My Boat arrives in Seattle today.

Done is done. Painful as it was. The biggest issue was I could have done A LOT to my baby with $8000. That is 8 grand that won't see my boat primped and prettied, but rather just saw her moved.



Alexis
*smiles*



PS- Summary of the Bullshat.

$3450.50- Crane company 8 hours
$3000.00- Damaged pipe hold to pay for damage caused by crane to pipe
$1500.00- Layover fees to the Truck Company. $250 a day x 6 days. 3 days our fault (booked crane too late, lost our spot), 3 days Crane Companies fault (crane issues had to bring in a fix from Louisiana; company reimbursing us $750)

So 7950.50 to get my boat on a truck....to get it off, blocked and then once done with the workyard into the water.....$224......yea I hate Texas.


And the Trucking Company, Winston Trucking Inc. charged $8600 for Texas to Seattle. They were not the lowest bid we had (that was $7000 from someone with 3 feedback) but they were the best rated, most feedback, with the best insurance.
08-13-2012 08:45 AM
tdoster
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

I think part of the lesson here is to also evaluate your shippers. You should have been able to find someone to truck it from Texas to LA for about 5-7 grand flatbed based upon fuel fluctuation costs. You should have also been able to find a shipper with a hydraulic trailer between 8 and 10K – costs are higher with time and equipment. Discuss this with the shipper when you talk to them. Try to deal directly with a shipper and not a broker – there are at least 10 brokers for every shipper. If you are coming out of the water, you have the added expense or need to take the time to prepare the boat. Pull the mast down and remove anything you want to keep (wind, radar, lines, canvas, etc..). If you are really flexible on your dates, find a shipper that travels back and forth a lot along your route. Check the insurance certificates and policy for your shipper and make sure they are covered – OK to use a small one-truck shipper, as long as he is insured well, also let your insurance company know. Take hundreds of pictures prior to it leaving with the final one on the trailer. Use a current newspaper in some of the shots to absolute when the picture was taken. Put your job up on ubid to get an idea of how much, with the EXACT weight and dimensions as well as requirements at the yard on both ends. Remember, they may be higher on ubid b/c of the fees they pay to ubid. Hydraulic between Texas and CA is not as common as it is North and East as many of these boats come out for the winter to be stored far inland or not uncommon at home, but you should have been able to find one. Most important thing is you have the boat you want and it is now moved to where you want it, and that makes it all worth it in the long run.
08-04-2012 12:40 PM
Caille
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

Took 3 day longer than expected. Leaving our shipper pressed for time (has another load to pick up).

Cost far far too much. But. Boat gets loaded Monday by a professional crane crew.

Owner of the yard was never of any help excepting that he is letting the trucker and crane operator have access to our boat Monday at 6am. And he did try to find a lift, though he was not successful.

Crane company insisted on a 110 Ton Crane Truck for a HC39 PH. Had to pay a union crew a full 8 hours. Cost $3450.50 to put my boat on a truck.

Then $8600 ($8150ish left after deposit) to Truck it.

Moral of this story. If you find yourself buying or moving a boat from a storage yard that does not have the means to offlift it themselves, beware. You will have to find a crane company with a large enough truck willing to do the work and pay them well for it. If our boat had been at a yard less than 3 miles from there, in their dry storage, it would have cost $300 to load it. The former spouse of the lovely lady to whom we are indebted for the boat made an ill fated decision in his choice of storage.

Our situation was exacerbated by the fact Kemah is still recovering from hurricane damage so a lot of cranes are very busy.

At least she is packed, the trucker knows precisely what to load (he knows our mast, our bowsprit and our boat now by sight), and she gets loaded Monday.

Spouse comes home tomorrow, our lady arrives in Everett the 10th at the Port of Everett, 10 days in the workyard and a lot of labor and then we lauch and work for another two weeks primping for cruising and making her a home (live aboards).


Alexis
*smiles*
07-31-2012 07:22 PM
Caille
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

I do not know if this is a sad or a simply laughable thing.

The Threat of Litigation is the greatest motivator of American's who are being lazy about something.

Called, left a message, stated clearly that if he did not get back to me and I ended up losing the entire trip's value that I would seek compensation in the form of litigation.

Less than one hour later we get a call back; He is aware, he will be there the 3rd, he is searching for a crane, we can look for one too.

Why could he just not call? Why two weeks of no contact? Then when we threaten litigation he is instantly there....

Like I said; sad or funny, I am not sure.
07-31-2012 04:15 PM
miatapaul
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

does the trucking company have a hydraulic trailers available? They don't need a crane/lift as long as they can get the open back end around the boat.
07-31-2012 02:43 PM
Jetexas
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

Too bad you're not a bum with a derelict boat stranded on Gulfport Beach. Apparently then everyone would unite to lift your boat onto the truck.

I hope you can find someone to help.
07-31-2012 01:33 PM
Captainmeme
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

I looked this place up on Google map. Looks like its across the street from a marina that could handle your boat. I understand why a marina wouldn't want to move another persons boat on another lot and re-block it, liability.

Have you looked for Mr. Satterfield's home phone number? I'd call information and request all the phone numbers for Satterfield in Kemah Texas. Also I would call the property tax office and find out who owns that business and call that person. Push the panic button!

Found this number on their fence (281) 334-2005 using google map.
07-31-2012 12:40 PM
Caille
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

Marsh Marine DryDock in Kemah Texas.

It is no where near an actual marina, its DiY, and the owner has not been answering any calls for weeks now.

Sort of frustrated.

Both Marinas said they could not help.

So now I need to find out where if need be we can get a crane to lift it and put it on the truck.

*sigh*

Thank you again if anyone has any ideas.
07-30-2012 04:19 PM
CapnBilll
Re: Need a hand, having issues finding a lift in Kemah

I would still call them, if they can't help, they can refer you. Where is marsh?
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