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09-15-2012 09:04 PM
MikeinLA
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

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Originally Posted by rbrasi View Post
I would like to add........ um...... (head just exploded)
I'm right behind you.

Mike
09-13-2012 02:38 PM
jcboyce
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

Under federal law, and international treaty only the federal government can spend it use fees ($8 a day for a boat, is to be paid to the national parks department, as set forth in cfr 36 (On going water works projects) article 327.(I think it's 30) search CFR 36 I use the electric CFR.
You are not alone, Most LA county employees think the county owns it, But it seems to take 8 minutes for them to check with someone when I point out their name is going on federal charges, then the discharge the bill, or give the federal agency that actually has jurisdiction
But I will take the quick way, (over 200 years of law covering international, admiralty & Maritime law are not easy to quat.) As we see from the new heath insurance plan, which as the mandatory car insurance back in the 70s, that took my car insurance from $42 to $263 a year in 6 months, were appealed (Law suit filed) which lead to a US Supreme court rulings, Showing that the Supreme court is the final word. which in the case of gibbons v Ogden 1824 (read burgees summory, "I think it was steamships, supreme court and you, I think it was. I can seen you a copy). Where Chief justice Marshal wrote the opinion, stating that a state claiming jurisdiction on a navigable body of water is repugnant to the Constitution of the United states, and the court terminated all contracts issued by New York, Newjerrsy, connecticut, & road Island. (the federal definition of Navigation, is the ability to be used as inter state or national commerous. By a vessel of 10 tons or greater, can take passengers to another state or country it is international comerous).
you can take the new ferry from mothers beach, to fisherman’s village, change boats, take the Catalina express to Avalon, switch to a cruise ship & leave the country.

MDR was the property of the publisher of the LA Times 1884 - 1886, He donated it to the West Chester gun club, Chuck told me he had been run off, by a man on a bulldozer, He couldn't answer why he left knowing the club owned the property.
(If you are a member of a club, & if the club was taken to court and the club property was lost, don't you think members would hear about it? Being an international harbor, It must be under the jurisdiction of the federal government. Listening to the members, it appears the property was stolen, (My ex wife keeps telling me she will file a law suit, as a decendant of a member, or maybe like New York they bought it from the wrong Indians (I will skip the Indians claim on the area), Under the law since 1972 Pacific coast, 11th district, harbor 80.1118, Marina del rey (Name changed in 1961 by US Congress see letter west marine history in Fiji store.

How am I sure, It is a federal crime to file incorrect charges, & I'm still here. I have filed charges against anyone not a federal official claiming jurisdiction of an international harbor claimed in CODE OF FEDERAL regs title 33 section 80. including but not limited to, Consperiousy to defraud the federal government of an estimated one trillion dollars(I put in for the 15 to 30% federal bounty on federal funds), violation of 2 articles 3 sections US Constitution, 2 international treaties, 3 rulings of congress between 1993 - 2000, CFR 5, 18, 28. 33, 36, 41 Leases of federal land), 46 Shipping, 49 National parks land, impersonating a federal official, impersonating a federal officer in time of war (CFR 36 327.22), fraud, impeding the order of a federal officer, A CONGRESSIONAL CHARGE OF NEGLEGINCE (the atomic bomb of admiralty law), and many more, Oh yea I filed a complaint with the District commander stating the USCGA was teaching MDR was teaching MDR is California waters. the head of the local USCGA "who I don't think is back to using a chair" told me "he was sure, I was mistaken KNOWONE COULD BE THAT STUPIDE" .

Every ticket issued to my since 1979 was dismissed except a parking ticket I paid, because I did not have the time, even the other parking ticket was dismissed. Granted I spend 5000 hours, fighting a ticket or bill. By the way the USCG pointed out the divorce issued by the state of calf is not valid because I don’t live in the state, so the state didn’t have the authority to grant the divorce. I beleave I was in 2503 in 1973, so next year though I had worked for the Boat works before that.
JC Boyce

By the way property tax bills when contested, they were dismissed ( told them I would pay them as soon as they told me were the money was turned over to the us treasury department, the state tax bill was dismised and they appologized saying the LA county tax collector sent them incorrect information. I live on my boat, not a calif res. the boat is documented (federal property, sold in the state of verinia, and it wasn't worth what they claimed.

If prossecuted by the US Congress, the combined laws I have read since my history teacher told us MDR is not part of the state of calif.
I came up with about 6.6 life times per person. The
odd what changes when as the constitution,supreme court, and 3 rulling of congress 93-00 said the pertection of the us constitution ends at the median tide line & all bodies of water as fare as they can be navigated are the juristdiction of the us congress(Congress said thier law enforcment atm the USCG. )
09-13-2012 01:00 PM
zeehag
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

there is no allowance for rentals of boats in southern cali--is considered against the law. violates a few of the marina agreements--i learned this in 1994 while attempting to flee a stalker....there are, however, many inexpensive lien sale boats at present-- good luck.
09-13-2012 12:55 PM
rbrasi
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

I would like to add........ um...... (head just exploded)
09-13-2012 05:58 AM
MikeinLA
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

Apparently, I am denser than even I thought possible. So, are you saying.....exactly what ARE you saying? I'm pretty sure that most of MDR is land leased by the county, otherwise who are the Marina City Club people paying their land lease payments to? I believe that the Silver Strand is actually LA City land. You seem really smart and knowledgeable about this and as a local, I'm just curious.

Mike
09-11-2012 10:20 PM
jcboyce
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

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ALL of MDR is owned by LA county. It's like an Indian reservation, the land is only leased under strict contract to real estate management companies with deep pockets. It's a county cash cow as the county gets a slice of every rental on MDR. In part the contracts state that the leasee will maintain the dockage within the basins they lease. Marina Harbor Anchorage in A basin is probably the best maintained, and has great amenities but the management leaves something to be desired. Boater's and their boats are treated like window dressing. As far as I'm concerned they should tear down every apartment in MDR and turn it into a park with a marina. As it stands the apartment tenants with no more investment than a month to month payment have more say than the boaters who've got hundreds of thousands invested in their boats. It's actually kind of sad.
I heard that myth, but according to the USCG when I filed the first set of federal charges, against anyone who is not a federal official, claiming jurisdiction of an international harbor claimed by the US Congress in Code Of Federal Regulations title 33 sec 80. I was told that they could not arrest anyone because know one is stupid enough to claim jurisdiction of an international harbor claimed in CFR 33 sec. 80. (80.1118 has been known as MDR since 1961 when Senator Roosevelt’s bill HR (I think it was 157 Not diging the paperwork out for that.) authorized the name change, form play a del Rey to MDR. the last $525,000 to finish MDR was in President Kennedys 1961 budget.
Mr ____ at beaches and harbors, when I informed him I had filled charges of impersonating a federal official, violating 2 articles 3 sections of the US Constitution, A Congressional charge of Negligence, 2 international treaties, 3 rulings of the US Congress between 1993 - 2000, where the Congress quoted the US Supreme court, Gibbons’ v Ogden 1824, Code Of Federal Regs. 33, 36, 41, 46, 49, and one count of solicitation of a bribe, Did I forget misappropriation of federal funds(Because the US Congress claims every penny from use fee's to Fees for sales, services, and fees) .. and I wanted a copy of the land loan agreement authorizing him to claim jurisdiction of an international harbor claimed by the US Congress in CFR 33 sec 80.1118, he turned white as a sheet, and ran from the room 8 minutes later he returned and gave me the web page for the National parks department telling me it's there land, I'd have to talk to them. and added that the army corp. of engineers issue all building, permits (CFR 36.327 Don't miss 22 No one can live here without written authorization from the District commander. If you are saying the I took a class with the USCGA, and they said it is California. I took that Class, walked out and filled a complaint with the district commanders office. When the USCGA head contacted me he said he didn't think anyone could be that stupid.)
Marina Del Rey basically a US Territory, in 1972 the COLREG treaty ( YES it was a treaty, like President Wilson's 14 point plan written into the treaty of Versa, Not signed by congress, but put into effect after the COLREG was signed.) Under CFR 33 Navigation, 36 ongoing water works projects, 41 Federal land leases, 46 Shipping, 49 National parks land. Not to mention US Constitution article 1, sec 8 Powers of Congress) and Article 3 sec 2 Admiralty Law As cited by the US Supreme court Gibbons v Ogden 1824.
The tax collectors under appear dismissed my property tax & sales tax bill on my boat. It's national parks land.
Why is it left this way. we'll in 1884 the culver city swamp land was bought by the publisher of the LA Times, to build an international harbor, Old Man Hunt (Owner of the SM pier, street cars, hotel, oh yea and a Rail road that handled all cargo shipping, because he owned the pier, who reportedly said "I see no benefit to me to having a harbor here." they lobbied Congress, old man Hunt won, the harbor went to Rattle snake Island (LA Harbor) and the swamp was donated to Otis’s club, The West Chester Gun Club, through the early 20th century, swamp development was visited, but went now where. eventually the Federal government and LA County entered into a contract, the Federal government (Army Corp Of Engineers) would build the harbor. & Parts of the county government would receive a delegation of authority, to Operate it.
To make a 126 year old story short. The Members of The West Chester Gun Club. Chuck told me he was run off by a man on a bulldozer. when I asked him why he went the club owned the property, he said he didn't know why he went. Bet the Austrians ask the same question about 39.
When it comes down to it as the Sheriffs told my lawyer when he told them they had to take a report concerning an accident I was in at Admiralty & Mindanao. He was told. “We don’t have to take a report, It’s not our jurisdiction, We only do apartment burglaries, in MDR It’s the CHPs Jurisdiction.
The Sherriff’s are show fearing the US Coast Guard. As in CFR 33v sec 1.07-5 definitions ((c) The term issuing officer means any qualified Coast Guard commissioned, warrant, or petty officer. & § 80.1118 Marina Del Rey, CA. & § 80.01 General basis and purpose of demarcation lines.

(a) The regulations in this part establish the lines of demarcation delineating those waters upon which mariners shall comply with the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972 (72 COLREGS) and those water upon which mariners shall comply with the Inland Navigation Rules.
(b) The waters inside of the lines are Inland Rules waters. The waters outside the lines are COLREGS waters.
(c) Geographic coordinates expressed in terms of latitude or longitude, or both, are not intended for plotting on maps or charts whose referenced horizontal datum is the North American Datum of 1983 (NAD 83), unless such geographic coordinates are expressly labeled NAD 83. Geographic coordinates without the NAD 83 reference may be plotted on maps or charts referenced to NAD 83 only after application of the appropriate corrections that are published on the particular map or chart being used.
[CGD 82–029, 47 FR 19519, May 6, 1982, as amended by CGD 83–003, 48 FR 7442, Feb. 18, 1983; CGD 86–082, 52 FR 33810, Sept. 8, 1987]
Where it changes from international tfo federal jurisdiction.
And of coarse Admiralty law extends as far from the water as an object can be discerned with the unaided eye.
You remember when the took a boat and went around and check, which is why MDR ends in the parking lot at Ralphs, the old train tracks (Now a bike path.)
JC Boyce.

Please don't tell me you think the federal agances that made these rullings and laws. It should be simple, the LAUSD taught MDR was not part of the state of California in 1967.
08-15-2012 07:34 PM
MikeinLA
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

You're bringing back memories Sea Hunter. I was in A basin for 20 years until the Nazis from Newport Beach took over. Used to be heaven in the 80s. Now I'm over by the Ship's Store. Very mellow management there. As for the OP, yeah it's way tougher than it used to be and you pretty much have to own the boat to liveaboard it. My marina charges 50% bonus, no extra utilities charge.

As for the leases in the Marina, I believe they are mostly owned by Middle Eastern investors.

Mike
08-14-2012 10:33 PM
sea_hunter
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Originally Posted by ParadiseParrot:909625
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Originally Posted by sea_hunter View Post
Good luck in your endeavors but you'd be better off renting one of the many county owned apartments that infestate MDR.

Excuse my ignorance but why is the County in the real estate business?
ALL of MDR is owned by LA county. It's like an Indian reservation, the land is only leased under strict contract to real estate management companies with deep pockets. It's a county cash cow as the county gets a slice of every rental on MDR. In part the contracts state that the leasee will maintain the dockage within the basins they lease. Marina Harbor Anchorage in A basin is probably the best maintained, and has great amenities but the management leaves something to be desired. Boater's and their boats are treated like window dressing. As far as I'm concerned they should tear down every apartment in MDR and turn it into a park with a marina. As it stands the apartment tenants with no more investment than a month to month payment have more say than the boaters who've got hundreds of thousands invested in their boats. It's actually kind of sad.
08-14-2012 09:46 PM
ParadiseParrot
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

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Originally Posted by sea_hunter View Post
Good luck in your endeavors but you'd be better off renting one of the many county owned apartments that infestate MDR.

Excuse my ignorance but why is the County in the real estate business?
08-14-2012 08:52 PM
jcboyce
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

Well When it comes to live a board slips, I have not asked my marina since yesterday. as I remember we can't use bussiness names, and since I would get a $200 discount on my rent for a refferal, I think there is enough here for you to finf them.
1)the boat must be 30 feet or longer.
2) You have to own the boat.
3) There are slips available about 100 from what I'm told.
4)There is a required permit involving an inspection, of the vessel, Insurance, registration, seaworthy & equipment (free)
5)Power and water is free.
6) being located between D & E basins it's a short walk to mothers beach.
7)E basin used to be listed as the only deep water (Safe) in MDR.
I have lived here off and on since 1973.
JC Boyce
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