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1 Week Ago 07:53 PM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

Private message me when you firm up your arrival to the PNW
1 Week Ago 08:30 AM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

Hi Ray et al. I'm still looking for the right Fraser for me. I've seen 4 of them now, but each hasn't been quite right. I'm wondering if anyone knows any others that may be for sale since the last time I was here. Also, I'm coming up to the NW this spring and would love to meet with you, Ray, and talk about Frasers in person. Please let me know if you'd be willing to do that and I'll pass on my contact info. Best, Patti
09-04-2014 10:29 AM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

Keep in mind that some grades of SS are slightly magnetic...
09-04-2014 04:59 AM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

Good idea. A carpenter's stud finder maybe. Thanks
09-03-2014 10:29 AM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

So it sounds like the chainplates were sometimes installed at the factory?
If he truly meant "angle iron", that is seriously scary.
Yes, DeKleer specifically spoke about his chainplate installation on some of the boats he laid up.

Yes, I know what you mean, although I know several people that call all angled metal "angle iron" whether it's made from aluminum or stainless steel. Seems like a magnet or a handheld compass held adjacent the hull where the chain plates are ought to tell the story.
09-03-2014 04:46 AM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

I forgot about Spencer taking over the molds. Have you heard anything about whether or not they laid the hulls up as heavily as DeKleer?

So it sounds like the chainplates were sometimes installed at the factory?
If he truly meant "angle iron", that is seriously scary. I wish I could get this boat out of my head. It sounds like trouble but she's still reeling me in.
09-02-2014 10:29 PM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

I don't know when DeKleer quit building boats. The mold went to Spencer Yachts and they were still building them six years ago when I first learned about the boats

When I asked DeKleer about the chainplates (Because I couldn't inspect them on Nikko at the time of purchase) he described them as angle iron held in place against the hull with built up knees with slots cut into them to receive the portion that protruded above the deck but I also talked to a owner who installed the chainplates himself.

I just checked "Anu" out on yachtworld. I'm wondering where all that extra weight comes from as well. Unfortunately for us, we bought Nikko before the housing bubble burst and paid top dollar for here. That was before the windvane, SSB and watermaker. Argh!
09-02-2014 06:19 PM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

One more question: Do you know when DeKleer stoppped building the 41 hull? The broker on the one in Seattle I was thinking about checking out thought that it came out of the factory around '92. I didn't think they were still cranking them out that late.

It turns out that this boat has embedded chainplates---definitely not a fan. (You think replacing chainplates on yours will be daunting?) It also has a deck stepped mast which i find surprising. I get that the boats were owner finished but I would have thought the overall design would demand some standardization. Wouldn't the deck have been factory built for one or the other? And generally if the chainplates are meant to be exposed I would have thought the hull would have come with knees for that (unless the designer specified through bolting to the hull). The one in Seattle appears to have another 3000--4000lbs of lumber inside than even your "overbuilt" example. Not sure what the builder was thinking there. Pretty though.
08-30-2014 03:43 AM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

Many thanks! Sounds like it doesn't have any special issues. I guess the main thing will be sorting out the owner builder variations. I suppose I'd be concerned about how (in some cases) thousands of pounds of extra weight in the cabin would effect the ballast/displacement ratio (and then tenderness/righting moment etc.). Otherwise, she sounds like a great hull.
08-29-2014 02:39 PM
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

Is the hull cored or solid? Is the deck cored or solid?
The hull is solid and they were laid up thick by today's standards. The deck is cored with balsa in some areas, solid in others.

Is the mast keel or deck stepped?
I've been on three Frasers now and they've all be keel stepped masts. That could be an owner preference thing though as most of the boats were owner finished.

Are the chainplates glassed in or fairly accessible?
The ones on Nikko are not and again, this varies from boat to boat. We're planning to go offshore in a year or two. Chainplates and standing rigging are one of the last chores on our list. I'm not looking forward to it.

I've seen claimed displacements on the 41 ranging from 19000 to 26000. Do the varying interiors account for most of that?
I think so, that and the storage capacity for water and fuel. Nikko carries 100 gallons of fuel and 160 gallons of water. That's pretty high capacity for boats of similar size. We've talked to other Fraser owners that didn't have all that fuel and water capacity. The interior of Nikko is way overbuilt. It looks like it was all done in 3/4 plywood all glassed in then they laid another 1/2" teak like wainscoating over that. So that's interior bulkheads and walls that are around 2" thick. Nikko has a displacement listing of around 22,000-23,000 lbs.

What are the things to look out for when shopping for one (or owning one for that matter)?
Fuel tanks and the motor. I don't think I'd buy an old boat without a pretty close inspection of the fuel tanks. I'd want to know the material they were made up, examine their installation and I'd want to get a peak at the inside bottom of the tank just to see what's going on in there. As far as the motor, that wouldn't be a deal breaker, but we have an old Volvo MD17C in our boat that's coming out before we go offshore.

What is Aire DeKleer asking for his? Is there a listing with pics available somewhere?
I don't know. He just mentioned in passing that Omega was for sale with a large sail inventory. Aire was a racer and he raced Omega to Hawaii a couple of times.

This winter when I have free time, I hope to get up and running to start a place to share information about these boats. They're great boats and each person I run into that knows something about them all say they're bullet proof and a great boat.
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