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05-11-2017 11:25 AM
zeehag
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

my family covers for me--my mom is alive as are 2 remaining siblings, so i have a choice in aridzona as to where i live ha ha ha
my momma and brother both live in goodyear so i am a tire. hahaha
when in doubt, impose on family. isnt that what family is for?
i know if situation was reversed i would allow the imposition, but i have a close knit family despite distance
05-07-2017 10:49 PM
hellosailor
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

Paul-
In some states, drivers have a choice of two different license types. "Ours", which meets whatever standards a state wants, and "SecureID" which meets the federal (DHS?) security standards. And usually the SecureID version also costs ~$10 more.
In some states, they've simply said all dl's will be SecureID standard. Florida did that maybe five years ago, and stopped issuing "snowbird" licenses at the same time. They had six months of total chaos because customers just couldn't bother reading the list of requirements and showing up with the necessary proof of ID.
But...Somewhere online are the "SecureID" standards, and that's what TSA will be looking for. Although, I had one nice droid hand me back my passport card (SecureID issued by the Department of State) and then say "I've never seen one of those before, what is it?" Gives you confidence in the program, huh?
And then an even brighter Guardsman with an ego problem, who warned me that he should arrest me for "tampering with an official document" because he thought I had something crossed out on my state ID. Ergh, no, actually, states sometimes require that, and in this case, it was just covered--not crossed out. No laws against that.
Once you go international...things can get better or worse. If you get a jerk like the guardsman, you may have a long day. If someone else sees anything they've never seen before...in some places they will accept it without question, because saying "What's that?" would embarrass them. Others would just reject anything they didn't know.
So...You know.

And then there are military ID's. If you're moved to a new base every two years, what "residency" are all your ID's going to have on them? And you'll still want something like plain civilian ID's, to make the SecDef happy about "please travel in civilian attier when not on active duty" in order to prevent soldiers from being targets.

ID? Da, Komrade! Here are my travel papers, signed by General deGaulle himself, genuine and cannot be revoked. [Casablanca-ish]
05-07-2017 08:19 PM
miatapaul
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

One of the newer complicating factors are the newer requirements for air travel. My driver's license has a PO Box on it, but I think they will require a physical address upon renewal. Some states will give DL with a mail forwarding address or PO Box but they say on it "not valid for air travel."

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05-03-2017 06:08 PM
Minnewaska
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

There can be big difference between establishing residency for benefits, or a drivers license or to vote and whether you owe income taxes. Getting a drivers license is typically a much lower bar than the state being able to levy income tax. Although, having your drivers license there is in their favor, if you don't have another residency elsewhere.
05-03-2017 05:04 PM
hellosailor
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

States being sovereign states [sic] they have the right to make their own individual and differing rules. South Dakota is AFAIK unique in that it has a residence law, which allows anyone to come stay one night in a campground and then file an affadavit saying they will be footloose but intend to return and continue living there. And while they are footloose in a boat or rv or whatever, South Dakota will extend the aegis of residency over them forever--because they have filed an affidavit stating they intend to return.

Every state gets to make their own rules. In some states, and cities, you become a "citizen" of that place after residing there for 30 days. Others may say you belong to them after 183 or 181. Sometimes 181 consecutive nights, sometimes just that many in any one calendar year. Or, any 365 sequential days.

There are no absolute rules that any of them have to follow. Which may be why a US passport does NOT list your place of residency, nor does it require one. (The fed doesn't care where you're sleeping, they want your taxes anyway.)
05-03-2017 12:52 PM
Movingrightalong...
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

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Originally Posted by Strider1234 View Post
I have been living aboard for 10 years on a documented boat and have paid a state sales tax. I have a pub in Fl. And a Fl drivers licence. I find myself in Maryland waters for an extended period of time and wish to change residence from Florida to Maryland, however , without a residential street address , I can not. All marinas, personal mailbox services and such are considered commercial addresses and do not qualify. I think I would have more luck if I were not a US citizen! Any helpful suggestions welcome.
The answer is probably going to be different if you are a liveaboard cruiser vs living aboard at a marina or day or weekend sailing.

If you are engaged in the former, you probably want to look for something like this:

https://www.sbimailservice.com/

which can either physically forward your mail to new ports or scan it so it is retrivable electronically.

As I'm working full time and won't be setting off on any extended adventures, I simply got a "real street address" PO box at a UPS store and use that as my address for residency purposes. With all my mail going there it easily meets the requirements for establishing state residency.

As far as Maryland, you might really want to make sure that your residency there is very long term as after you switch over from Florida you'll have the added responsibility of paying Maryland State income tax (up to 5.75%) and filing an annual state tax return.

There's a reason a lot of cruisers and RVers "live" in Washington, South Dakota, Texas, and Florida.
05-02-2017 06:18 PM
hellosailor
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

Jason-
When you say weekend liveaboard, that suggest you will be living out of state 5 days out of 7. And in most states, if you are not in the state for 181 or 183 days/nights out of the year, they will question residency, especially for educational residency requirements. Most states are really cracking down on that for simple budget reasons.

FWIW.
05-02-2017 09:31 AM
sail39
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

Figuratively speaking literally I am in the 'same boat'.

Looking for a 39' boat slip in MD Baltimore marina for weekend live board and to satisfy MD residency for my Graduate degree program requirements. Please email me at - j b e r m a n 2 0 1 6 @ g m a i l . c o m. Appreciate if anyone could assist in the true spirit of the sail force.

Thank you

Jason
01-13-2016 07:17 PM
miatapaul
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

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Originally Posted by Faster View Post
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Of course, if you get a slip and then commence bouncing off all your neighbours as you learn how to dock the boat it may delay becoming accepted into the community!
Well the power boaters will just think you are one of them!
01-12-2016 10:07 PM
Faster
Re: How to establish residency for live aboard

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Originally Posted by jjstick View Post
Do you think it matters if we are a first-time boat owner or if we have experience to be granted a slip or liveaboard?
I doubt it.. it's more likely going to be about availability, length of waitlists (if in place) and even more likely 'who you know'. Besides, you needn't advertise your 'newness' (though it may be readily apparent)

Sometimes waitlists can be 'truncated' with some convenient connection or good timing - it's not right, but it happens and sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do if it works out for you.

Of course, if you get a slip and then commence bouncing off all your neighbours as you learn how to dock the boat it may delay becoming accepted into the community!
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