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11-21-2012 11:38 PM
Selkie60
Re: picking up a vacant mooring

ActiveCaptain is a good way to find the mooring protocol for any particular anchorage.
11-21-2012 10:54 PM
rockDAWG
Re: picking up a vacant mooring

Quote:
Originally Posted by zboss View Post
So - no, I don't like it when people use my balls
Just long and old thread, so I have not read it yet.

I agree with you. I don't even like other touches my balls, let alone using or licking them. Absolutely NO way.
11-21-2012 10:13 PM
delite
Re: picking up a vacant mooring

Zboss I think many will find it is inappropriate for you to put out 3 moorings for 1 boat in a high traffic area. What circumstances justify this in a high traffic area? Why cant you get by with 1?
11-21-2012 09:45 PM
zboss
Re: picking up a vacant mooring

I own several private moorings in a highly trafficked area. Personally, I don't like it when people pick my moorings up. The reason is that the extra wear and tear is quite extreme. I have three moorings but only use one at a time depending on tides, weather, etc. They are spaced and set accordingly to use in various situations.

This is leased property (I don't own it) and it covers a 70 foot radius around the mooring ball. While my chain is big enough to hold the queen mary, I have often found very large vessels on the mooring, sometimes they have not picked it up right and the mooring twists around the vessel or rides up under the vessel, for example. This can rip the buoy itself but the bigger problem is the chafe on the pennant. Often, a user will not set it correctly and when I go to use it, it's destroyed. I go through a lot of pennants each year. Sometimes people try just motoring off without letting the pennant go. Sometimes people run over it while leaving. Some steal them! Some get pissed that it's not public and actually try to sink it. The list goes on and on.

With three moorings, four, five, sometimes 8 a year per mooring... this adds up.

I have certain responsibilities to the government as an lease. For example, I must make sure the mooring is marked and maintained accordingly. I must make people aware that the mooring is private by marking it as such. This is problematic because I need to repaint it several times a year.

Overall, between the lease cost, the maintenance costs, what I have to pay a diver for inspection, the time I spend painting it, shopping for parts, whatever... I guess $1200 per year per ball.

Besides - just because you are not parked in your driveway doesn't mean that anyone can pull in and park there.

So - no, I don't like it when people use my balls
11-21-2012 02:40 PM
Faster
Re: picking up a vacant mooring

FWIW the Canadian government is paying attention here.. a friend with a buoy in Degnen bay received a letter last year instructing him that the buoy must be marked in accordance with the regs (posted above by Delite - which he had not done) and be marked with identifying information, which he had.

Whether or not that will lead to removal of 'non complying' buoys remains to be seen. And of course those that fail to mark with name and address obviously won't be getting those letters.....

I suspect there are many buoys, esp in certain areas, that will not comply with the clearance distances.. Degnen with its random currents is a tough spot because boat pull in all directions, not necessarily together...

We've hooked onto the odd 'private' buoy for a lunch stop, but have never spent a night mostly because of having no idea what's on the bottom, or the shape of the tackle. I'd certainly be prepared to leave if the 'owner' showed up...

It would make sense to mark a buoy with a maximum displacement... The parks buoys around here have a 'one boat' rule... but you might see a 60' power boat there one day, and a 25 foot weekender the next.. if it's good enough for the 60 footer why not allow a couple of smaller boats to share on a busy summer day.. esp if both are willing to pay.
11-21-2012 01:55 PM
Jgbrown That just seems rude.
So I can go put a mooring down and build a field of fakes to keep people from anchoring?

Bizarre. Infestation would seem to be the right word, I can understand a mooring to store the boat or live on, but moorings to claim parts of the ocean for whenever the owner feels like a visit preventing others from anchoring, then chasing off the other boats and then asking people to move?

Seems less like parking on a lawn, more like putting cones to block off your favorite parking spot at any mall you might visit, then scolding anyone who parks there...
Taken to it's logical extreme, what do we do once every nice spot is full of them? Isn't a weekend on the water what anchors are for?

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11-21-2012 12:46 PM
delite
Re: picking up a vacant mooring

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Swain View Post
In BC, the government told me they dont give water leases for private morings, so anyone is free to use any mooring they please, legally. I certainly do, after giving it a good shot of reverse to check it out. If no one hassles me, I feel obliged to clean the growth off it, and put a coupler of peel and stick reflectors on it, so it can be easily found after dark. The growth is an indicator of how little use it has had.
You got some really bad info Brent. You may want to visit these sites to get the real info. Firstly BC does not regulate private moorings, Transport Canada does (http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/land_tenure...te_moorage.pdf point 1 on page 4)

Here is what Transport Canada has to say:
7.1 The placement of a single point mooring buoy by a proponent will not require the submission of an application for approval under the provisions of the NWPA (Navigable Waterways Protection Act) subject to meeting the criteria specified in Annex “A"

Annex A
The placement of a single mooring buoy meeting the following criteria will not require further review by the Navigable Waters Protection Program and the project may proceed.

The mooring buoy must be:

Secured by a single anchor line,
Marked as per An Owners’ Guide to Private Buoys 8.4

The mooring buoy including swing area must be:
Placed no less than 20 meters from any existing docks, boathouses, swim platforms, other mooring buoy or other structure located within limits of waterway,

Placed at least 50 meters from any public launch ramp, marina, known navigation channel

AND:
Where free swinging moorings are utilized, they shall require a circular area having a radius equal to three (3) times the length of the vessel
Moored vessels must comply with the Collision Regulations.

Mooring Buoys - Transport Canada

Our mooring in 75 feet of water has a 1000 lb block of concrete attached to 60 feet of 1/2 inch chain and 100 feet of 1 inch rode. I dont care if someone wants to use it when its unoccupied, especially if they do as you do and clean it but if I show up and ask you to leave you will be leaving.
11-21-2012 12:45 PM
hellosailor
Re: picking up a vacant mooring

"IF I had a ball and returned from a day sail to find a boat on it I'd just raft off it...No big deal. Leave a note saying "

Chuckles, you must really be slumming it. A true yachstmen always has his mooring steward remain on watch, with a chilled bottle of champagne and the offer of fresh hors d'oeuvres from the galley to entertain you, while you are waiting for them to cast off and return your mooring to you in a prompt manner.

The note of thanks is of course delivered by post, or messenger, along with a dinner invitation, not more than 48 hours afterwards.

Really, you've just got to stop associating with those riffraff in boats, and take up yachting.
11-21-2012 12:36 PM
chucklesR
Re: picking up a vacant mooring

Quote:
Originally Posted by azguy View Post
See, that's just not right, fake balls....lol....
Seriously, I've watched a guy in a 8 foot pram pull them up and move them around.
11-21-2012 12:00 PM
azguy
Re: picking up a vacant mooring

Quote:
Originally Posted by chucklesR View Post
Within sight of my pier there are 23 mooring balls, only 5 of which are used on a regular basis, the rest are intended to keep others from either dropping their own ball there - or to keep people from anchoring there (none and mine).
See, that's just not right, fake balls....lol....
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