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09-06-2012 01:45 AM
AdamHowie
Re: Adding woodwork below

Adding a full bulkhead to the cabin of the Edel would really decrease the open feel to the boat. I would not recommend it and it is not something I would do to my own boat. Adding a curtain may be easier and not to mention cheaper
09-06-2012 01:08 AM
paulk
Re: Adding woodwork below

Gluing strips to the overhead that you then screw the new bulkhead to may be feasible. The physical joint may work as the boat moves, however,and end up being less than satisfactory with pulled screws and little gaps of broken glue lines and/or wood fibers that open and close as you sail along. That is why the fillet approach with fiberglass tabbing is used instead. If you're creating your own "custom" laminate, please don't use crummy luan veneer which will look like crummy luan veneer no matter how many layers of varnish you try to hide it with. Nice mahogany, teak, ash, cherry and other hardwood veneers are available in 4'x8' sheets if you want them. 3/8” ply with decent looking veneers already glued at the factory is also available, though it isn’t cheap. Make a template with cardboard (or luan!) first. You can also simply paint the new bulkhead white – like Concordia and Hereschoff did. It helps to make the space look bigger than dark wood.

Though a single piece bulkhead would perhaps be stronger, strength obviously isn't needed here - the existing bulkhead doesn't go up to the top of the cabin anyway. Since it appears that there's a seat on the aft side, the simplest route might be to rest the bottom edge of your sheet of ply in the corner at the top of the seat where it currently meets the bulkhead, tilt it upright, and scribe it to fit the overhead. (leaving room for the fillet and tabbing) The seat cushion will make it look like the new bulkhead is the only one. On the other side, where the half bulkhead ends and the new one goes up beyond it, you can perhaps use the top of the old bulkhead to help support a shelfput a shelf (or two). For reading, I would suggest the Gougeon Brothers on Yacht Construction. Hope it cools off for you soon.
09-05-2012 03:19 PM
Ritchard
Re: Adding woodwork below

I don't know if you have already done the bulkhead work, but I would likely remove the current half-height one, and use it as a partial template to cut a whole new piece. One piece will be stronger, and look infinitely better than two pieces joined. As for material, I would laminate a heet of lauan (sp?) door skin plywood onto each side of a piece of 3/8" ply. You'd end up with a very strong 5/8"-ish bulkhead, with nice sort of mahogany on each side that will take a finish very nicely. Lauan ply is pretty cheap, select a couple of pieces with nice uniformity and colour.

I am nearby, I wouldn't mind checking your progress.
09-02-2012 05:49 AM
i_amcdn
Re: Adding woodwork below

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Originally Posted by CurEuS View Post
I also have an Edel 665 that needs some TLC. I like what you've done so far! I'm also in Toronto at ABYC I'd like to see more pictures of your boat if you have any
To be clear...the "nice" interior pic is not my boat. It is what I am aiming for.

So far I have just gutted the interior and painted the inside fibreglass. I have removed the ugly fabric material that was glued to the sides and removed the glue and foam residue from same. I have decided (after seeing it on the site) to glue cork on the sides where that fabric had been. if I can find a reasonable source of cork.

It has been so $#@#'g hot this summer that working below has been not fun.

This weekend I will be sanding the topsides and shopping for a new hatch gasket or an alternative to add to the existing one.

I am not far from you...in a storage yard @ Cherry St & Commissioners, across from the Cirque du Soleil tent. The big 100' five legged white crane, visible from the Gardiner is about 50' east of me.
08-31-2012 08:18 PM
CurEuS
Re: Adding woodwork below

I also have an Edel 665 that needs some TLC. I like what you've done so far! I'm also in Toronto at ABYC I'd like to see more pictures of your boat if you have any
08-11-2012 09:57 AM
VallelyJ
Re: Adding woodwork below

I don't know the answer to that. I'm not an expert, but I know some boats have a thwartwise beam under the mast support, and attaching to this would seem to eliminate the concern over making an inflexible hard spot--it's already hard there.
Though you don't know the reverse--how the strains that the mast & rig places on that deck structure may affect the joint you create.
My unscientific sense of it is that whatever you do within reason probably won't have very great structural consequences one way or another.
08-11-2012 09:22 AM
i_amcdn
Re: Adding woodwork below

Valleyj,
I have Caseys book and noted his comments about the foam "shock" absorber spline. I am leaning towards your "inch short of cabin top" alternative, attaching it only to the side and the existing holes in the mast support. Note though that this "room divider" bulkhead would be right at the mast support, an area that I presume is already a hard spot and the stiffest part of the cabin top. If I did attach it to the cabin top this would only enhance the hard spot, no?
Thanks.
08-10-2012 05:48 AM
VallelyJ
Re: Adding woodwork below

That wheel has already been invented and we probably won't come up with a better solution here.
Get Casey's book. According to him, as I recall, boatbuilders use a flexible foam spline--a strip maybe 1/2" thick and a little wider than the thickness of the plywood, beveled at the sides--between the edge of the plywood bulkhead from the cabintop. That lessens the problem of creating a hard spot under your deck. They then layer strips of fiberglass to bond the vertical board to the cabintop. Look at the way original bulkheads on your boat are attached.
Alternatively, would simply raising the height of the partition to an inch or so short of the cabintop meet your needs? That would be much easier structurally.
08-03-2012 11:33 PM
i_amcdn
Re: Adding woodwork below

Apologies for the delayed reply. Appreciate all your input.

I am not paneling the ceiling of cabin. .I just want to add a new vertical wooden divider, extending upwards the current "half wall" between the salon and the v-berth. I am leaning towards gluing some 1x1 strips to the ceiling of the cabin and then securing the new vertical piece with screws to those strips. I would also secure it to the mast extension.

The ceiling will remain painted fiberglass. It is not cored.
07-20-2012 06:20 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Adding woodwork below

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Originally Posted by i_amcdn View Post
Questions:
1. How to attach the wood to the roof without putting holes through the fibreglass? I am thinking glue some strips to the roof and then screw the wood panels into those wood strips.
I'd be inclined to use some sort of fabric on the overhead (roof) - those Edels don't have an overabundance of headroom - even an inch can make a difference..

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2. Does attaching the wood to the roof cause any harm? I think that it would stiffen the roof but is that bad to not have some flex in the fibreglass?
Fiberglass does NOT like to flex - it does it by breaking down a little bit each time it flexes.

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3. Suggestions on type of wood to use
See #1

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4. Best reference book for projects like this.
"This Old Boat" by Casey, "The Finely Fitted Yacht" by Mate, "The Hinckley Guide To Yacht Care" by Hinckley.

Have fun & post lots of pics.
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