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10-05-2012 10:11 PM
okapi3
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

I have a 31 but the arguments for/against staysails are the same: it all depends on what kind of sailing you do. Offshore, I wouldn't feel comfortable with a sloop rig and a big genoa, because in strong wind a partially furled headsail has a very high center of effort and causes unpleasant heel and poor balance just when you don't want it (sail balance is particularly important when using a windvane self-steerer or an underpowered autopilot (like mine)). But in the Chesapeake Bay I remove the inner forestay and use my genny. I have to admit I, too, have sailed around the Bay with 2 headsails just because they look so...nautical!

Sailak, it looks like you are based in Alaska. I'm not familiar with that area but suspect you get some pretty good winds up there. If that's the case, I think having a staysail would be a really nice thing.

Good luck with your new Pacific Seacraft!
10-05-2012 09:30 PM
BirdBrain333
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

Kenlanu also loves her staysail in combination with the Yankee. Sheet the staysail on the coach roof and it adds 1/2 to 1 knot in light or moderate air respectively; great with reefed main up to "oh crap" time. No problem tacking and we do both one or two day off shore hops and baysailing.

This may not help your negotiations but may help your pleasure with a Great Boat!

Jay

PSC 37 # 171, Kenlanu, currently on the hard getting some TLC in Oriental NC on the way to the Bahamas.
09-18-2012 06:44 PM
BillNorrie
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

HI Again
on Terrwyn we only have a single winch on port cabin top BUT we also have a " hockey puck" turning fair lead that directs all three lines to the winch.( all three have proximal stoppers also.
We also only use the stay sail sheet fair lead on the cabin top .

Terrwyn is hull no. 239 I believe , 1990
09-16-2012 09:12 PM
MarcHall
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

Crazy Fish is rigged with a roller furling on gib and a detachable stay for the staysail.

Preferred sails for areas with higher range of winds is a yankee on the furler and the staysail. Lots of options to reduce sail and keep the boat balanced. In areas where I will be doing a lot of tacking (ie San Diego Bay), the staysail stay is released and brought back on deck to a small block and tackle to hold it tight, so it does not interfere with the tacking the foresail.

In areas of light winds like San Diego having something larger then an yankee on the forestay is useful. For daysails the staysail is rarely used.

I have no plans to remove the staysail stay from the boat or convert it to roller furling.

Marc Hall
Crazy Fish, Crealock 37 Hull 207
09-16-2012 07:44 AM
brokesailor
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

Bill: Do you run the staysil sheet on the cabin top track or on the track on deck inboard of the rigging? If you use the cabin top blocks how many winches do you have on the port side under the dodger? I have one winch (jib halyard winch) but it does not a fairlead to the port side cabin top block.
09-15-2012 04:57 PM
BillNorrie
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

SV Terrwyn loves her Stay sails ( we have a working and a storm stay sail ,both hank on ).We crossed the Pacific last year and flew one or the other 24/7.
PSC 37 mast position is 4.14 and therefore a true cutter. Our furling 115% jib comes though on tacking easily with Stay sail backed to create a slot, CLASSIC BEAUTY.
SMOOTH SEAS,
Bill
09-14-2012 02:06 PM
sailak
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

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Originally Posted by valis View Post
* Finally, the staysail just looks good. I sometimes fly that thing just because it makes the boat look pretty.
That alone is reason enough!!
09-14-2012 01:39 PM
valis
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

VALIS is a PSC44, but we have a permanent staysail on a furler. We have a 120% genoa with a slightly high clew. It's not a yankee, but it's not a deck-sweeper either (I had the foot cut high for visibility).

* The staysail does help the boat speed in light and moderate air, at least when on a reach.

* In light air the genoa often hangs up on the furled staysail. This happens regardless of the way the sheets are tied to the clew. I've currently got two bowlines, but before that I had a single line with a lark's head (cow hitch / luggage-tag) at the clew. It's the sail itself that hangs up, not the knot (usually). Waiting for the genoa to backwind before releasing the sheet sometimes helps, and I can usually horse it around the staysail stay by pulling hard on the sheet, but sometimes one of us has to go forward to pull the sail around the stay. In heavier air the genoa is much less likely to hang up.

* If I partially furl the genoa it doesn't usually get snagged. If I have the staysail unfurled and backwinded, the staysail keeps the genoa from wrapping around the staysail stay and the genoa tacks easily. The staysail is the last sail to be tacked.

* I really like the staysail. In big winds (40 kts +) the boat balances nicely with staysail and deeply-reefed main, or with staysail only. In lighter winds the staysail can help with boat speed. No doubt the staysail is less efficient than a full inventory of properly-sized jibs, but with my roller-furled sails the staysail gives me some nice options.

* Finally, the staysail just looks good. I sometimes fly that thing just because it makes the boat look pretty.
09-13-2012 09:23 AM
Alannc44
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

Very interesting thought about the furled sail making it easier for the 150 to come around... Please let us know if it works! Does the extra sail area of a stay sail help your speed in lighter winds....along with the 150?

Thanks
09-12-2012 07:47 PM
NortenoSailor
Re: PSC 37 How many have done away with staysail?

I love the flexibility of having the staysail ready to go if the wind is going to be above 20kts and find myself using it often, so much so that I am having the hanked on staysail converted to use a furler. With the stay in place, without the sail, it can be problematic tacking with my 150 genoa, but when the staysail is up, it is quite easy to tack. I am hoping that my new set-up with a furled staysail will allow easier tacking of the genoa then just the bare stay.
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