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09-25-2012 11:14 PM
RobGallagher
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

Quote:
Originally Posted by jsaronson View Post
Rob,
Are you on cncphotoalbum.com? There are hundreds of C&C owners who have dealt with every sort of problem imaginable. If it is a common problem with that model, they will tell you. I don't recall the issue coming up in recent months for your boat.
Joel
Yea, I'm on photoalbum, great resource! I'll give it a shot, thanks.

And thanks for all the other replies. I was not aware something could be "overgreased". Interesting...
09-20-2012 04:32 PM
emoney
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

All of that is taking into assumption that you've actually watched the cable move in and out of the sleeve while disconnected from the tube. Once I "thought" the cable was fine because the wheel would, in fact, turn easily when it was disconnected, only to find out that the wheel was just pulling in slack instead of functioning properly.
09-20-2012 04:30 PM
emoney
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

Especially when salt water comes into play. If it were me, I'd get a "detail torch" down there and try and cook out all the grease that's in there now and then "re-grease". Big box stores like Lowe's/Home Depot sell the detail torch tip that uses the small canister LP bottles that outdoor "rail" grills use. Apply the heat liberally and you'll eventually see the grease start to bubble out. Then put the new in. I deal with this issue all the time on the play boat's steering tilt-tube.
09-20-2012 02:58 PM
Faster
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

Good point, rugosa.. also old, dried out grease could itself cause the binding/friction.
09-20-2012 01:23 PM
rugosa
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

You should also consider that the rudder tube has been over greased. C & C used a grease cup on the tube, same with Hinterhoeller. I've seen remote greasing tubes set up by owners to connect to where grease cup was tapped into the tube and lead to a more convenient location. Last one I dealt with was 82 year old owner over greasing (he thought it should be greased monthly whether it needed it or not) to the point grease oozed out from the top of the tube and also the laminate on the webbing reinforcing the hull/stock tube installation (looked like a previous repair too). Once the rudder was dropped and the tube cleaned and flushed the binding problem was gone. With rudder installed went back to grease cup arrangement and has had no problems.
09-20-2012 11:18 AM
jsaronson
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

Rob,
Are you on cncphotoalbum.com? There are hundreds of C&C owners who have dealt with every sort of problem imaginable. If it is a common problem with that model, they will tell you. I don't recall the issue coming up in recent months for your boat.
Joel
09-20-2012 10:25 AM
DivingOtter
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

ive bent my rudder post without any damage to the rudder itself. Last year the hinge point holding the ridder bent due to weather helm and this year i noticed my tiller was more to starboard than usual. After we dropped the rudder there is barely some twist to it but enough to give a few inches of feedback at the tiller.
09-19-2012 05:14 PM
Faster
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

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Originally Posted by RobGallagher View Post
Is is possible to bend the stock without damaging the fiberglass? I think the rudder stock is solid stainless. Seems like something else would break before that rudder post bent. But, I'm not very knowledgeable in this department...
Possible but, I suppose, a bit unlikely. However the damage to the rudder may have been repaired at some point, without taking the time to inspect the rest of it.

It could also be the result of a binding bushing.... Unfortunately dropping the rudder is the way to figure it out.
09-19-2012 03:27 PM
RobGallagher
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

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Originally Posted by Faster View Post
The problem might be that the stock itself is slightly bent above the rudder (maybe from a grounding or collision of some sort at one point) In some cases these can be satisfactorily straightened.
Is is possible to bend the stock without damaging the fiberglass? I think the rudder stock is solid stainless. Seems like something else would break before that rudder post bent. But, I'm not very knowledgeable in this department...
09-19-2012 03:11 PM
Faster
Re: Stiff steering/rudder

The problem might be that the stock itself is slightly bent above the rudder (maybe from a grounding or collision of some sort at one point) In some cases these can be satisfactorily straightened.
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