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10-21-2012 04:40 PM
steneck
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

Good to know Raindog! That's been my sense but I've never thought to eyeball my mast when the wind is blower a near gale.

Bob Steneck
PSC 34' Alaria
Christmas Cove, Maine
10-19-2012 05:30 PM
RainDog
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

I have laid at the base of my mast in 30+ of wind and saw no noticeable movement. The mast if a tree trunk for sure. I only use my runners in high winds or if on the same tack for a very long time. I cannot see any reason to use them in normal sailing conditions. The rig is just way overbuilt.
10-12-2012 04:37 PM
shanedennis
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

Good info. Thanks everyone. We are waiting for our rigger to add the inner forestay and running backstays to our PSC 34.

Our 1989 PSC 34 came with the inner forestay removed. We did not like how the boat performed into winds above 15kts with a furled genoa so we asked our rigger to add it back. He recommended adding running backstays and using them any time we the staysail is up.
09-24-2012 02:12 PM
niftynickers
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

My conversation with Bill Crealock about the heavier mast referred to the LaFiell spar that was used at that time.I'm not familiar with the new mast that PSC is using.
Dianne and Chuck Burke S/V NiftyNickers C37 #139
09-24-2012 08:07 AM
MC1
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

Quote:
Originally Posted by niftynickers View Post
I asked Bill Crealock about this a few years ago.He said that the only time the running backs are needed is in heavy winds with the staysail loaded to prevent mast pumping.He then added that he designed the boat for a thinner,lighter mast and the backs were a necessity but that PSC used a much stronger heavier mast so the backs are somewhat redundant.I find with the backs rigged it is difficult to maneuver around them so I only use them when going offshore.

Hope this helps,
Dianne and Chuck Burke S/V NiftyNickers C37 #139
A few of us noticed the last time Pacific Seacraft exhibited boats at the Annapolis show a couple years back that the new Charleston Spars being used after the plant was moved to the East coast were of the more bendy variety than the previously used LeFiell spars.
09-23-2012 07:29 PM
Time Traveler
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

Most helpful to have the backstory from Bill Crealock himself. I put the same question to Thumper at the factory earlier this year. His advice was the same (mostly, don't bother with the running backs except maybe for peace of mind offshore when it's blowing hard). But it makes all the difference to know that it's about Pacific Seacraft's choice of a more robust mast. Thanks for that.
09-22-2012 11:48 AM
niftynickers
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

I asked Bill Crealock about this a few years ago.He said that the only time the running backs are needed is in heavy winds with the staysail loaded to prevent mast pumping.He then added that he designed the boat for a thinner,lighter mast and the backs were a necessity but that PSC used a much stronger heavier mast so the backs are somewhat redundant.I find with the backs rigged it is difficult to maneuver around them so I only use them when going offshore.

Hope this helps,
Dianne and Chuck Burke S/V NiftyNickers C37 #139
09-21-2012 10:22 PM
steneck
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

Thank you Roger and everyone for your thoughts.

Actually, I'd rather have my pants fall down in public than my mast fall down half way to Bermuda.

As I understand it "pumping" relates to harmonics that can fatigue shrouds. In a blow or long passage I'll be setting my running back stay! It certainly is easy enough.

Cheers,

Bob Steneck
PSC 34 Alaria
Christmas Cove, Maine
09-21-2012 10:34 AM
DaveMancini
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

What Roger said.

Dave Mancini
PSC 34 #305 SWAN
09-21-2012 07:59 AM
ralopata
Re: Running backstay on my PSC 34

Bob:

We sail a 40, not the 34 or 37, but I imagine the "rules" would be similar. The running backs are meant to keep the mast from "pumping" when the staysail is used. My belief is that in very light air, the stresses a staysail puts on the mast are minimal and the running backs wouldn't be necessary, but then again, we don't use the staysail in light air...so, whenever we roll out the staysail, we rig the windward runner. Is it possible that this is the equivalent of "wearing a belt and suspenders?" I suppose so, but then again, I prefer to see neither my pants nor my mast fall down in public.

Fair winds,

Roger Lopata
JUNO
PSC 40 -- #46
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