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10-18-2012 08:07 PM
Hawaiigirl
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

Actually sorta sunny Florida...ha ha!
10-15-2012 07:19 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

In 40 years of living aboard, I've never had an oven ,nor refrigeration, and never missed neither one. I once stayed a couple of years in a housekeeping room which had both. Never used niether one. I have only had a generator on board for two years out of 40. Can't be bothered replacing it. It's not worth the space it takes up.
Don't get addicted to such contraptions. You dont need them.
10-13-2012 08:43 PM
MedSailor
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeB1917 View Post
I have no sailing experience....

My question is if a bayliner is a good option to go with on a live aboard since I have no exp in sailing and to be honest dont really want to go there just yet.
I'm pretty sure he was asking about a sailboat. I've tried to talk him into a powerboat but he posted on a sailing forum and starts off saying he has no sailing experience, and would it be okay to get this bayliner considering he has no sailing experience.

MedSailor
10-13-2012 04:40 PM
Brewgyver
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

Quote:
Originally Posted by zeehag View Post
when op said bayliner, thunk it was a power boat.(snip)
I thought power boat, too. And after reading the OP's (ONLY) post again, I still think he might be. He certainly never says he's definitively that he's looking at a sailboat.
10-13-2012 08:30 AM
bljones
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

A Buccaneer 25 is NOT the same as a Bucc 240- it is a whole different kettle of fish. while a bucc 240 is not pretty, joethecobbler is right- they have decent room. The buccaneer 25/US Yachts 25 is a racer/cruiser- no standing headroom, very small holding tank, cramped v-berth, minimal galley, small salon. NOT a liveaboard-friendly boat.
Bayliner 240:


Bayliner 25/250:



Bayliner 25s make great donorboats.
10-09-2012 10:41 PM
joethecobbler
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

I had a bucc 240 when I was single as well as when it was just the two of us. worked out fine. had a oven,stove,head ,refrig ,etc. standing headroom 6' sailed fine soal draft and a9.9 outboard elec start and solar. I've always heated w/ wood it's priced affordably.
I miss that bucc 240. I built a dual axle railor for it I could launch and retrieve it at a boat slip w/ a 1/2 ton truck and it rocked. I just got a larger crew and ten foot-itis.
now I GOTTA go to a yard to haul.
I'd get another 240 in a minute if I got rid of the 320 it would be alot cheaper to use as well as maintain and store when not in use.
many of my cruising pals are going tralerable for the same reasons, pocket cruisers.
if you want lite air performance raise more sail area. or sail a light boat, like a bucc.
10-09-2012 10:14 PM
miatapaul
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

Quote:
Originally Posted by joethecobbler View Post
Yes, I am on it right now typing on this keyboard . Along w/ my wife,daughter and cat . We had 4 dogs on previous trips (they have since passed away fron old age)
as to the oven , I've got an origo oven and stove an isotherm frigde, a splendide vented washer dryer, 3000watt gen, diesel kubota inboard,over 100 gallon fresh water, 2 heads one msd one porta in case the other fails,Had a 5cu ft. freezer but it broke so I took it out to repair it, and I've got a Katydin 40E watermaker I've been meaning to instal, but actually I'd probably never use it where I cruise.
per the storage issue- 32'X10' is the same volume regardless of who measures it out. Storage is just wise packing.
Believe me the other half and daughter don't leave much behind. One year my daughter had a barbie diamond castle in her cabin and the next year she brought the barbie cruise boat !
and yes light displacement is alot less comfy than a 20 tonner. but we manage nicely and don't mind the shoal 3.5' draft or the short 46' stick. Get to go more interesting places larger draft never will.
as per sea kindliness, the Buccaneer can put up with alot more than I care to, so I pick my weather.
As I said b4 we've been sailing up and down the east cost seasonaly since 2006 inside and outside with no issues.

Bucc's forever- or at least till I find something else inexpensively.
I've seen the 320's sell for as high as $18000.00 to as low as the $1000 I paid for te one I have now.
If cost wasn't an issue I think I'd get a Gulfstar 40-50' the're floating motorhomes as well !
OK but that is not the 25 foot Bucc that is being discussed here. The 320 is a lot bigger for sure about 4 times the displacement, and is a center cockpit meant for coastal cruising. I don't think anyone would consider a 32 foot boat too small to live on, especially one with raised decks and center cockpit. Though 4 dogs might push the limit!

The Bucc 25 is not going to be able to have a stove with oven, refrigerator, washer/dryer or generator. Well they might be able to put a portable generator in a lazerette and bring it on deck and run it when not raining too hard in the north west. (does it ever not rain there?)

And no storage is not just square footage, well actually cubic footage. Some boats are designed with lots of storage. They have built in storage and room in the keel for storage, day sailors don't. You don't want to wind up with a bunch of plastic bins you have to move around constantly. The OP is also talking about full time living in the North West so winter clothes is a must, as is good 12 volt or non electric heat. The Bucc 250 is a day sailor. I am not trying to be argumentative, just trying to help the OP (who does not seem to have returned by the way) make a more informed decision. Yes you can live in a one man tent, but if it costs not much more why not get a 4 man, so you can have a guest over if you want. And maybe even 4 dogs!

Your out there and doing it and that is great! I hope you remain safe and enjoy the great trip that life is!

I would not want a Gulfstar 40-50 ft, I think I could get a much better boat for less money for my plans. While I want something comfortable and seaworthy, more important is sailing ability, especially for light airs.
10-09-2012 08:55 PM
joethecobbler
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

Quote:
Do you live on the hook on your Buccaneer?
Yes, I am on it right now typing on this keyboard . Along w/ my wife,daughter and cat . We had 4 dogs on previous trips (they have since passed away fron old age)
as to the oven , I've got an origo oven and stove an isotherm frigde, a splendide vented washer dryer, 3000watt gen, diesel kubota inboard,over 100 gallon fresh water, 2 heads one msd one porta in case the other fails,Had a 5cu ft. freezer but it broke so I took it out to repair it, and I've got a Katydin 40E watermaker I've been meaning to instal, but actually I'd probably never use it where I cruise.
per the storage issue- 32'X10' is the same volume regardless of who measures it out. Storage is just wise packing.
Believe me the other half and daughter don't leave much behind. One year my daughter had a barbie diamond castle in her cabin and the next year she brought the barbie cruise boat !
and yes light displacement is alot less comfy than a 20 tonner. but we manage nicely and don't mind the shoal 3.5' draft or the short 46' stick. Get to go more interesting places larger draft never will.
as per sea kindliness, the Buccaneer can put up with alot more than I care to, so I pick my weather.
As I said b4 we've been sailing up and down the east cost seasonaly since 2006 inside and outside with no issues.

Bucc's forever- or at least till I find something else inexpensively.
I've seen the 320's sell for as high as $18000.00 to as low as the $1000 I paid for te one I have now.
If cost wasn't an issue I think I'd get a Gulfstar 40-50' the're floating motorhomes as well !
10-09-2012 08:08 PM
miatapaul
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sidney777 View Post
To mpaul. Please get the correct info. I can't guess the reasons for your negativity. I have finished with this, so please don't persue me,but if you want to I'll give you plenty more info. I can only hope the original poster continues with his plans. Gary Mull designed the boat. Please see BUCCANEER 250 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
( for starters)
I guess some people with a very large and expensive BOAT may not like to be told that a PERSON with a small boat CAN EAT,SLEEP,COOK,HEAT AND TAKE A CRAP just as well on a small boat. And stand up ! We are talking about liveaboard, not .......
Maybe some people have never heated a boat so they just don't know how. Maybe some people just want to agitate and argue as a pastime.
Perhaps my post came off as being a bit more negative than it should have. It has NOTHING to do with cost, you seem to be obsessed with. In today's market you can pick up boats for nothing (usually come with their own issues) to almost nothing. I have seen nice 30 foot boats going for $1000. A friends dad just sold his very good condition Catalina 30 for $2200, I mean sail away that day good he just got tired of tire kickers as the boat was a 4 hour drive away. I looked at a Conyplex Contest 30 that was a bit ugly but had usable sails and a working diesel motor for $1000. I got out bid on a really nice Newport 30 that had good sails and in overall good condition for $2300. I was trying to bid via my cell phone, and lost connection and the auction ended. On the Buccaneer 250 all your are going to have is a small camp stove, so no you can't cook as well as you can in a boat designed to have people stay on for longer with a proper oven. How much water will it hold? How big is the holding tank? I don't think you are going to be able to crap many times without having a pump out, unless you are going to direct discharge and that is against the law. The Buccaneer 250 was designed as a day sailor, and to be taken out on the odd overnight. There is limited storage limited tankage. And to be anchored on the open water in that light of a boat is going to be quite uncomfortable for days at a time. There are lots of other boats that would be more suited to this. Many of them can be found at low prices including the power boats listed. Where are you going to store stuff on a Buccaneer? I looked at your link, and yes it reminded of the one I did see, no storage, almost no tankage fresh or waste and light weight construction. How is he going to hold enough chain, rode and good sized anchor to hold the boat full time on the hook in the North West? The Conyplex I looked at had tons of storage and a functioning galley. Same with the Catalina, Newport, Columbia, Albin Vega, and others I have looked at. No reason to rough it more than you need to. There are lots of small boats good for living aboard, the Buccaneer is not one I would choose due to above issues. Do you live on the hook on your Buccaneer?
10-09-2012 05:02 PM
zeehag
Re: Considering doing Live Aboard. (Need Advise)

Quote:
Originally Posted by joethecobbler View Post
Zeehag- just curious ,why would you not take a Buccaneer to weather ? I've had a couple of then and have pounded them to weather for days coastal w/out any issues.

Miatapaul-Hey that buccaneer woudn't be the one I see on craigs for @000 woud it? I think itls sitting in point charles on the hudson River ?? If it is , I was told A guy sailed/motored it in there and tossed the marina the keys and left it there !! Apparently he dreamed of sailing far and wide but after a week or two, reality got the best of him and he went back to land- Ha!

I know the Buccaneers are not the best -to windward boats- but they make great coastal saiors, roomy good headroom and the price is right.
a for the porta-potty, if you can use a bucket, you can use a porta.
As far as the shower goes , we have 2 heads on our Buccaneer 320 one has a shower and we rarely use it, opting to use the shower bag on deck or in the enclosed cockpit.

Buccs' forever !!
when op said bayliner, thunk it was a power boat....buccaneer has some strength--but the ones i see living in mexico--i have seen 2 of em here on pacific side--looked beat to hell--if the boat looked that bad after a pacific coastal hop of 2000 or so miles, what did the people look like when they finished that trip.......i also was able to get to inside the 25 and the 27--these arent only boats i would not take out in weather--weather being 20+ kts, seas, etc....i have been aboard others i would never dream of taking out into seas and weather.
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