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10-06-2012 12:12 PM
Sumner10
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

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Originally Posted by RandyonR3 View Post
..... A friend of ours belongs to one of the clubs in the San Francisco Bay area.. He bought a NEW 42 foot Hunter and turned it over to the sailing club.. they paid the payments, kept it serviced, and kept it clean.. in five years he has a boat at no cost to him, except a monthly membership payment, which is less than a slip fee..
Now I'm sure that a new 42 foot Hunter is the boat for everyone, but you don't bitch very much when the boat is free..
I never knew that this option existed. If I was in my 30's, 40's, or 50's and knew that it did exist I think I might seriously consider it.

I'd still like to possibly have a separate boat, but you can find 17-20 something trailered boats for less than $1500 that are in good enough condition to day sail. The OP doesn't have a driveway, but lots of people do. So you have your little cheap boat that you can peck away modifing and using on a moments notice if you want for not much of an outlay. Then you also have all those other boat options that you talked about and a nice boat 5 years down the road. Then sell the little one or if you are like us keep it. Nice plan!!

With both of us hovering around 70 at some point driving 2200 miles to our larger boat and taking it out will be too much for us, but we will still have our other boat to enjoy past that time and will enjoy it between trips to the larger one now. So we are engaged somewhat in what I described above, but we are paying for both . I like your option,

Sum

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Our 37 Endeavour --- Our 26 MacGregor --- Trips With Both

10-06-2012 11:12 AM
RandyonR3
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

Here's a different outlook , and something I would have done now looking back in years.. I've gone throu a dozzen boats to get where we are now, with our 42 and ready for retirement.
and the cost is a major factor in this decision.. if its a trailer boat can set in storage or in a driveway, did this for awhile with a Catalina 22, but once we moved up to a 30 foot, we had a slip so you now have a monthly payment no-matter what the boat cost.. and you will spend money on the boat..
What I am suggesting it join a sailing club.. many memberships can be had for less than a slip cost and you have the use of any of the boats in the club.. and now and then, use you're vacation on a charter boat.. your cost will be much less than owning a boat and you can move up to larger boats or take a small boat for an evening sail.. much of the time, you have use at any time as long as you reserve the boat in advance.. The boats in the clubs are uasally less than five years old so you are not sailing trash.. you dont have to pay insurance, slip fee, and best thing, go throu the issues of buying and selling a boat..
and now the great part.. once you are on the inside and a member, you find the ins and outs of the way they lease their boats. you buy a boat, and put it in their lease fleet and they make the payments.. in five years or so, you own the boat, at no cost and you can do with it what you want..
A friend of ours belongs to one of the clubs in the San Francisco Bay area.. He bought a NEW 42 foot Hunter and turned it over to the sailing club.. they paid the payments, kept it serviced, and kept it clean.. in five years he has a boat at no cost to him, except a monthly membership payment, which is less than a slip fee..
Now I'm sure that a new 42 foot Hunter is the boat for everyone, but you dont bitch very much when the boat is free..
10-05-2012 09:33 PM
Sal Paradise
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

Who gets their money back? No one......not when all expenses are figured. You get to sail......mcuh better than money back
10-05-2012 05:54 PM
Barquito
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

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O.K. I have to chime in as the contrarian now. You are N O T going to get your money back out of any boat unless you are V E R Y lucky. You have to realize that most of the people on this site have been charmed into thinking this way by their demon boats that have totaly convuluted their brains. I sold my last boat for what I had put into it in the previous 2 years and even then I regretted selling her. Do You see their demonic ability? I mean after all the only thing I needed was a bigger boat. Never try to make rational decisions regarding boats... it's an oxy-moron. I would agree however that a boat with adequate headroom and a phrf of 180 or so would probably be a great starter boat.
28-32' ... Just don't let her demonic spirit convince you that you need to start pouring money into her to have a good time sailing.
I absolutly agree. You might get what you paid for a boat, but, that doesn't include all cost of all the upgrades you made! Get a boat upon which you will not be too upset about unleashing a money canon. The size of the money canon being dependant somewhat on the size of the boat.
10-04-2012 06:33 PM
contrarian
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

O.K. I have to chime in as the contrarian now. You are N O T going to get your money back out of any boat unless you are V E R Y lucky. You have to realize that most of the people on this site have been charmed into thinking this way by their demon boats that have totaly convuluted their brains. I sold my last boat for what I had put into it in the previous 2 years and even then I regretted selling her. Do You see their demonic ability? I mean after all the only thing I needed was a bigger boat. Never try to make rational decisions regarding boats... it's an oxy-moron. I would agree however that a boat with adequate headroom and a phrf of 180 or so would probably be a great starter boat.
28-32' ... Just don't let her demonic spirit convince you that you need to start pouring money into her to have a good time sailing.
10-04-2012 03:13 PM
Sumner10
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

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Originally Posted by CalebD View Post
Sum, No harm, no foul.
Thanks for going easy on me , I should of looked before I posted

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Originally Posted by CalebD View Post
..Can you picture a MiniCooper towing a Mac 26 S? Hilarious! It would make a great ad campaign for the Mini people though, eh?
Maybe not totally out of the question...



I had planned to tow ours with our Jeep Scrambler as it has a longer wheel base and is heavier than a regular Jeep. We headed towards Lake Powell and the Jeep engine was shot, but I thought it had one more trip in it. I had a re-manufactured engine sitting in the shop. About 20 miles west of town on a long steep grade the engine blew up. By standing on top of the boat I could get a cell call into AAA and they came and towed everything back to town. Probably just as good as the boat was not comfortable behind that Jeep. Then we borrowed a friend's full size pickup and took the boat over to Colo. What a difference in towing. We forgot using the Jeep and bought a used Suburban and have been happy ever since. So regardless of the picture above I wouldn't be pulling anything over maybe 1000 lb. max with a Mini. I think MacGregor had an add shot pulling a 26 with a Vette,

Sum

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Our 37 Endeavour --- Our 26 MacGregor --- Trips With Both

10-04-2012 02:39 PM
barefootnavigator
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

There are at least a dozen old Flicka's that can be had for under 15K be careful they are getting up there in age and suffering decompression in the mast arch. When I lost my ass around the turn of the century I bought a West Wight Potter on CL for 250 buck and sailed that little boat everywhere. Any boat will do
10-04-2012 02:25 PM
CalebD
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

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Originally Posted by Sumner10 View Post
I agree and had been typing that during the period that he posted and didn't see his situation until after I'd posted .

I could just delete it, but left if in case someone else reading this was in a similar situation looking for a boat, but did have a house and a possible tow vehicle.

Seeing his situation, renting and small car, the boat situation (options) does change since he will be slipping it,

Sum
Sum,
No harm, no foul.
I know that a trailer sailboat is by far the most affordable means of getting into sailing and you were just pointing this out.
There is absolutely no reason to delete your post as someone else would likely bring up the trailer sailor idea anyway.
Can you picture a MiniCooper towing a Mac 26 S?
Hilarious! It would make a great ad campaign for the Mini people though, eh?
10-04-2012 11:12 AM
Barquito
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

I am going to add another view point: In the $10k range, maintenance and slip fees will quickly surpass the purchase price, and you will probably get back most of what you bought the boat for... So, maybe saving a little more and stretching the budget into a boat you really want would be a good choice. However, consider cost saving measures: Plan on doing all the work yourself on the boat (and lots of it in the first few years). Make sure you store the boat in a place you are allowed to work on your own boat. Consider a mooring rather than a slip. Also, don't assume that you will want to move up to another boat in the future. It is possible that a boat in the 27-30 foot range will be just right for anything you plan on doing.
10-04-2012 10:27 AM
Sal Paradise
Re: Champagne taste on a beer budget

Let me add my agreement to what has been written here. I just bought a nice older Cat 22 on a trailer for a song. My family and I have had an absolute blast on it this summer and plans are already taking shape for big fun next year. I'm ecstatic with this purchase and my buddy who has a big expensive diesel inboard Hunter 32 says he wishes he did the same as me.

Not saying get a Cat 22 - just saying that a cheaper boat can be just as much (or more) fun. I actually almost walked away from this particular boat because it was filthy. I went back and looked again. Underneath the dirt was a nice boat. An hour with a power washer was like a miracle. So dirt can be a buyers friend.
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