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1 Hour Ago 06:18 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by RTB View Post
Well, after re-reading the last 5 pages of the thread I discover that the real name calling, and true insults were from others than smack. Sure he had his comebacks in his own way as usual, only defending himself. If I wanted to navigate with an iPad, I'd listen to smack who just used it for 1000 miles getting to Florida. Not SVAuspisious or chef2sail.
You seem to have followed smackdaddy's restatements of the posts of others rather than the original.

I have many many thousands of miles using mobile devices for navigation on multiple boats, some in concert with MFDs and some without. I have one trip in particular (somewhere off South Carolina when the electronics failed on a delivery to the Caribben) on which in JUST THAT ONE TRIP I used a mobile device for navigation over a longer distance than the total smackdaddy cited.

Perhaps like smackdaddy you did not want to hear what you do not want to hear.

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Originally Posted by RTB View Post
Unless there was some back room discussions between the mods and Steve that didn't go well, a permanent ban was totally uncalled for. Maybe all the members slinging insults should have had a cooling off period to calm things down? It happens. All parties were getting rude. Not just the one you decided to permanently ban from Sailnet.
The mods say there were multiple requests to smackdaddy. I believe them. I know that smackdaddy has been banned temporarily before specifically for a cooling off period. That certainly sounds exactly like what you suggest is appropriate process.

It will come as no surprise that I won't miss smackdaddy at all.

However, smackdaddy has had the ability to identify topics that spark a lot of good discussion. It is unfortunate that his overall behavior detracted from that value.

There are a number of us who regularly make contributions but generally in response to someone else's topic. I challenge those who think they have something to offer, including myself, to think of SailNet during our sailing lives and start topics for discussion. By doing so we will honor the value of smackdaddy's tenure here.

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Simply put .... in maintaining that Donna was telling the truth it might have appeared that I was implying Steve (SmackDaddy) was not. I was not suggesting any such thing.
I will. Aside from a pattern of misstating the posts of others (which is rude at least) smackdaddy claimed to come home to find himself permanently banned without any notice from the mods. If he did not get the message the mods say they sent (and again I believe them) how did he know he was permanently banned and not just on another vacation? His story does not hang together.

The moderation at SailNet is pretty light-handed. They rarely even edit posts - I believe they ask members who have spoken inappropriately to make corrections themselves. When they do occasionally make a change it is labeled as such. Temporary bans are infrequent and permanent bans more so. I understand that a great deal of time goes into discussion before any action is taken, which is as it should be.
5 Hours Ago 02:12 AM
overbored
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

you two might want to be careful. this thread is about BOATS and all I keep reading here is about the Smack Down. careful you two could get smacked down too. but then again the Smack Down thread drift in the BOAT thread was started by a MOD. when you want to talk about a new subject you are suppose to start a new thread thats what people and MODS do.
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6 Hours Ago 01:22 AM
RTB
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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I'm also an old Stuffers member, one of those who were banned due to Sully's apparent brain explosion. That saw what, 20 or 30 people banned in a matter of days ? If I'm correct there have been two contributing members banned from SN this year. Those are hardly Stuffers numbers and nor does it suggest a CF level of moderating.
One or two bannings (I don't know who the other was) is a start. So, point blank, I'll ask if you believe the smack ban was necessary? Yes or no? Is it good for sailnet? If so, what is your reasoning? I'll leave it at that.

Ralph
6 Hours Ago 01:06 AM
tdw
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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So, yeah. I got that. You know, I'm an old stuffiminto member. I've always felt like an outsider here (who would have thunk?) But... I thought you guys might have a more level head than Sully. This smack ban reeks. I'm sorry, but just don't understand where that came from. YOU read the iPad thread and tell me where Steve went wrong....enough to get banned. Ok?

Ralph
I'm also an old Stuffers member, one of those who were banned due to Sully's apparent brain explosion. That saw what, 20 or 30 people banned in a matter of days ? If I'm correct there have been two contributing members banned from SN this year. Those are hardly Stuffers numbers and nor does it suggest a CF level of moderating.
6 Hours Ago 12:56 AM
RTB
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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My arse does not need covering, nor am I on the fence, which if paling then my arse may need some padding.

Simply put .... in maintaining that Donna was telling the truth it might have appeared that I was implying Steve (SmackDaddy) was not. I was not suggesting any such thing.
So, yeah. I got that. You know, I'm an old stuffiminto member. I've always felt like an outsider here (who would have thunk?) But... I thought you guys might have a more level head than Sully. This smack ban reeks. I'm sorry, but just don't understand where that came from. YOU read the iPad thread and tell me where Steve went wrong....enough to get banned permanently. Ok?

Ralph
6 Hours Ago 12:36 AM
tdw
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Are you on the fence....or just CYA (cover your ass)?
My arse does not need covering, nor am I on the fence, which if paling then my arse may need some padding.

Simply put .... in maintaining that Donna was telling the truth it might have appeared that I was implying Steve (SmackDaddy) was not. I was not suggesting any such thing.
7 Hours Ago 11:43 PM
RTB
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Just as an add on to my previous post, in saying that Donna was telling the absolute truth I am not suggesting that Smack was not and no that is not a contradiction.
Are you on the fence....or just CYA (cover your ass)?

Since you re-opened the subject....

I was following the iPad "discussion" because I was interested in how it may be better than me running my laptop with Offshore Navigator. I had some questions regarding iPads but never got the chance to ask them, since smack was the one that seemed to know the answers. Why others with no experience using iNavX on an iPad chose to attack Steve, I can't figure out.

Once things got ugly, Donna posts

" OHFORCRYINGOUTLOUD.

Can't we disagree without the constant snide comments? It's getting OLD and quite frankly I'm fed up with the sniping and potshots and what is trying to pass as humor. "

Well, after re-reading the last 5 pages of the thread I discover that the real name calling, and true insults were from others than smack. Sure he had his comebacks in his own way as usual, only defending himself. If I wanted to navigate with an iPad, I'd listen to smack who just used it for 1000 miles getting to Florida. Not SVAuspisious or chef2sail.

Unless there was some back room discussions between the mods and Steve that didn't go well, a permanent ban was totally uncalled for. Maybe all the members slinging insults should have had a cooling off period to calm things down? It happens. All parties were getting rude. Not just the one you decided to permanently ban from Sailnet.

I'm only here because of a few friends (smack being one), and hate Cruiser's Forum because of moderation. I thought you guys were better than that?

For new members reading threads here, the real challenge is to figure out WHO knows what they are typing about. It's a much smaller number than you may realize. I sure miss the good old days with Knothead, Cam, i2f, and a few others. Honestly, there are few I'd listen to lately.

All the best,
Ralph
8 Hours Ago 11:21 PM
Lazerbrains
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by albrazzi View Post
Best Boat I ever owned and steered in following seas was an old Columbia metric with the hourglass transom. What does that have to do with rudders? somehow it nailed the stern down quite remarkably. Took the strain off the rudder for sure.
Those are really interesting designs with a very unusual hull shape and keel shape. I've sailed on an 8.3 and was very impressed with it on all points of sail and agree - nice sailing boats especially when the wind kicks into gear. I'm amazed there isn't more of a cult following with them.
8 Hours Ago 11:04 PM
outbound
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Al agree it's all aspects of the boat that interact to produce a sweet vessel and hull shape is paramount. No question a boat that sails in the water rather than on the water is a different beast. However compare that boat to a centerboard catboat with a bar door rudder and tell me doesn't each feature contribute to their handling when running in a fresh breeze.
Think you and Lazer are not accounting fully for the multiple other features that are involved. Look at the plans Bob posted on the sliver. One would think she would track like a train on rails downwind at any speed. This is not a function of her rudder even though it's a balanced spade but rather hull shape. One would also think she'll steer wonderfully. That is a function of the rudder in conjunction with hull shape. Look at Dashews sail and motor boats for other examples.
Twitchiest boat I've been on was beamy with flat run aft of the keel. But on the other hand the open derived hulls do beautifully. Again there are good and not so good boats of every style. Can't get around for most sailors spades when done right are easier to steer. Can't get around every time you steer you slow the boat down. Easier to make a spade slow the boat down less.
9 Hours Ago 10:16 PM
tdw
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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There are probably some emails and messages, both in and out, that I was not copied into but based on what I have seen there is no doubt whatsoever that Donna is telling the absolute truth.
Just as an add on to my previous post, in saying that Donna was telling the absolute truth I am not suggesting that Smack was not and no that is not a contradiction.
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