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19 Minutes Ago 12:00 PM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

A thread hi-jack is welcome. This one is basically pretty lame and has long outlasted any usefulness it might have had.

Thanks for the chain offer but we will not be in really deep anchoring spots in the foreseeable future I think. I must say I was not impressed with the longevity of ACCO chain. I have had other people suggest that it is not as good as it once was. No idea why this would be so.

We only have one anchor (Manson Supreme) permanently mounted and leave it there. We try to tape up the holes, but not altogether successful. Our boat originally stored the chain in the very bow compartment. It did not store at all well there and someone needed to be below with a boat hook to stop the castling. We moved it back another compartment further aft. Lots of room there for 300+' if we need it.
50 Minutes Ago 11:30 AM
Shockwave Killarney, I have 400 foot of Acco G4, 3/8", new, still in the barrel. I could make you a good deal, if you're interested. Are you in Michigan?
51 Minutes Ago 11:29 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Thread hi jack

Wonder about people's preference when sorting things out before passage.

Do you store the anchors and plumber putty the holes in the deck? Or do you lash the anchors and leave them on deck?

I've done both. Feel better with anchors ready to be deployed as don't know what landfall will be like. But think having anchors off the bows improves performance and eliminates risk of something breaking loose. Also if you leave them up need to carefully use Saran Wrap plumbers putty and tape or water comes in.
58 Minutes Ago 11:22 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

You should see them shortly. They needed to deal with family stuff but going back down ~Sunday. Greatly appreciate the opinions about length of change.
One of the things I really liked about Boreals was the design element where the chain was brought amidships eliminating the weight sitting in the bows.
One of the things I dislike about the current versions of many production boats is the way chain is run and stored as well as the difficulty of cleaning it.
2 Hours Ago 10:06 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

We only had 200' of chain. That was a half barrel of 3/8" BBB that I got at a good price. We have 300' of 3/4" nylon sliced to the chain but only used the first 50 or so feet a couple of times in five years. The amount of chain you need depends on where you are going. Outside a few places in the Pacific 200' was more than adequate. When we set up the ground tackle we did not have plans for a circumnavigation so did not remotely think about the problems of anchoring next to Indonesian islands where the water drops off from 0 to 100 feet in a couple of boat lengths. Our chain locker is about eight feet aft of the bow. We certainly have the room for 300' of chain and can handle the weight. One problem with newer cruising boats is that their displacements are much less and it makes it harder to carry a lot of weight. In retrospect I should have bought a full barrel of chain and used perhaps 50' for a secondary anchor rode and used the rest for the primary.
2 Hours Ago 09:35 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Originally Posted by outbound View Post
Hey Jon are you berthed next to Practique? If so say hi for me. They are great people.
Yes, I am... But I haven't seen anybody aboard lately, perhaps they've gone off somewhere for the holiday?

The sole Outbound in this year's Caribbean 1500 was BIG FRISKY... they had some seriously bad luck prior to departure. On the Friday before the scheduled departure on sunday, they were out running a 1,000 hour turbo "washing" @ 80% load, when they blew a couple of exhaust valves on their Yanmar. Even with the start of the 1500 delayed until the following Wednesday, they didn't finally leave Portsmouth until a few days after everyone else...

Still made it in about 8 days, however, just in time for the Awards party... Yesterday, they provided the turkey for the pot luck Thanksgiving gathering here, it was awesome...

We Made It! | Big Frisky

Originally Posted by outbound View Post
K-? How much chain do you carry?

Reason I ask is another area of potential concern is the whether there is adequate space in the chain locker and how that weight effects the boats dynamics.

I was surprised that 200' of chain is often inadequate to get even 5:1. ( your post is an example). Read recently with the next gen anchors and chain less may serve. But I have trouble sleeping with anything less than 5:1 and still think all chain is to be preferred.

Would be very interested in learning from your and Jons experience as I'm thinking of increasing rode on the primary and don't know how much to get.

Can't help you out much there, I'm only able to carry 200' on my little tub... Wish it could be 300, but there's no way. I have an additional 300' of 5/8" rope rode, which I would shackle to the end of my 1/4" HT chain if I ever need to... Thankfully, that has not yet happened, I've always managed OK with my existing 200'...

If I had a boat like yours, I'd probably be happy with 300', perhaps 350' depending where I was going, particularly if plans included the Pacific or Alaska, perhaps...
8 Hours Ago 04:03 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Originally Posted by outbound View Post
Politely and well said.

Would note none of us know what was going on with that captain or crew. I carefully avoided comment on their decisions. In the spirit of Scotty's editorial would request unless you have detailed knowledge of the events to do the same. I thought we were talking about boats not people.

I am not going to be polite though.

Michael the skipper mentioned passed away.

The treatment of Michael by this sailing forum prior and after his passing was absolutely atrocious.

It was not a proud day for Sailnet. Let's leave him alone and make the point some other way.
9 Hours Ago 03:14 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Originally Posted by Exile1 View Post
No, what NOAA said, actually. Not a prediction, mind you, but historical fact. But hey, maybe it was recorded a bit inland at the airport perhaps.
Just to clarify, the NOAA data I linked to was from the recording station on the Chesapeake Bridge Tunnel at Thimble Shoals Channel... Located roughly 7 NM to seaward of Ocean View, where the grounding occurred, so probably a pretty accurate representation of the conditions at the time...

As for Irene being a Cat 3 storm, it only achieved that status for awhile near the Bahamas... She made landfall as a Cat 1 near Cape Lookout, roughly 175 miles south of Norfolk, at about the same time as that first video was being recorded. After traveling over Pamlico Sound and land for about 10 hours, she passed over the Chesapeake Entrance as a marginal hurricane, diminishing to tropical storm force several hours later...

But of course that boat had been beached long before the storm's full strength was ever felt around Norfolk...
10 Hours Ago 02:09 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Dude - I never mind a good clean fight. You know that. But as I said that particular Hunter has nothing to do with anything.

As for your 40 mile per hour winds in that photo - whatever you say.
No, what NOAA said, actually. Not a prediction, mind you, but historical fact. But hey, maybe it was recorded a bit inland at the airport perhaps. But still just a "tad" removed from the "Cat 3 hurricane" you wanted all of us to believe. But I know, who gives a damn -- it's all about those "10-14'" breaking waves after all.

A "good clean fight?" Sorry, not with such obvious attempts to manipulate facts to fit your narrative. The resumption of your name calling is always the give away.

This particular Hunter having nothing to with anything? How about a potential "limit" of a production boat? Or am I posting on the wrong thread?
10 Hours Ago 01:47 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Ahhh, time to cue the Faux Outrage, eh?

C'mon, admit it... You got just the sort of response you were trolling for, you knew one of us "Excitable Hens" would rise to the bait...

Dude - I never mind a good clean fight. You know that. But as I said that particular Hunter has nothing to do with anything...especially if you're only going to put up part of the story with a single pic.

As for your 30-40 mile per hour winds and, more importantly, the resultant seastate in that photo - whatever you say.

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