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11-01-2012 01:06 PM
jackdale
Re: who had right away?

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Originally Posted by denverd0n View Post
Tend to? More like, almost always. Why? Because no one has "right of way" in this situation (and certainly not "right away").
Absolutely on right of way. There is only one reference in the US Inland Rules, none in the International Regulations.

I have seen a couple of cases in which one boat was held solely responsible. One was the case of a collision with a sailboat not displaying an anchor light.
11-01-2012 12:44 PM
Minnewaska
Re: who had right away?

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Originally Posted by Maine Sail View Post
AMEN!!!

When ever I hear someone use the term "Right of Way" as related to boats I immediately assume, perhaps incorrectly, that he/she has no clue as to the COLREGS...
I'm sure you are right to some degree. I will bet most boaters have never actually read any part of the COLREGS. At best, they were taught these rules in some other type of formal training.

However, I think the term right-of-way is often used as slang for the concept of stand-on and give-way, but doesn't suggest as much a misunderstanding of the rules as we may think.
11-01-2012 12:04 PM
Maine Sail
Re: who had right away?

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Originally Posted by denverd0n View Post
Tend to? More like, almost always. Why? Because no one has "right of way" in this situation (and certainly not "right away").

There is a "give-way" vessel, and there is a "stand-on" vessel, but in the end BOTH have the responsibility to avoid a collision. If you "stand-on" all the way into a collision, when you could have done something to avoid it, then you are just as much at fault as the "give-way" vessel that didn't.

I think that too many people believe this is like driving a car, and that if they have "right of way" then any accident that happens is going to be considered the other guy's fault. Nope. Doesn't work that way. Not even close.
AMEN!!!

When ever I hear someone use the term "Right of Way" as related to boats I immediately assume, perhaps incorrectly, that he/she has no clue as to the COLREGS...

They may, have a clue, I just automatically jump to "stupid is as stupid does" when I hear those three words abrading my ears........
11-01-2012 12:00 PM
steel
Re: who had right away?

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If your sails are up, you may be considered not under command,
If your sails are down and you're sitting there with the engine stopped could you be considered not under command? In the lake here if somebody is out drifting in their boat fishing everybody just avoids them which makes perfect sense. Is there a day shape for NUC, and is it proper to display it if you walked away from your stopped engine for fishing or something? There isn't a rule for boats which are drifting like there is for manually powered, wind powered, and engine powered is there?

If you stop the engine and paddle a few times, do you become a manually powered boat?

If you had a steel hulled 27' with 1/8" plating, how much would that improve things in the event of a collision with a lobster boat?
11-01-2012 11:12 AM
azguy
Re: who had right away?

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Originally Posted by smallboatlover View Post
Also i don't feel like making friends with them since every saturday when i got by around 6-7 in the morning there all drinking so i don't feel like dealing with drunks.
I would tell the CG that these guy are operating under the influence, there is no place for that on the water. It may be one reason they did not see you.
11-01-2012 10:49 AM
BubbleheadMd
Re: who had right away?

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Originally Posted by denverd0n View Post
Tend to? More like, almost always. Why? Because no one has "right of way" in this situation (and certainly not "right away").

There is a "give-way" vessel, and there is a "stand-on" vessel, but in the end BOTH have the responsibility to avoid a collision. If you "stand-on" all the way into a collision, when you could have done something to avoid it, then you are just as much at fault as the "give-way" vessel that didn't.

I think that too many people believe this is like driving a car, and that if they have "right of way" then any accident that happens is going to be considered the other guy's fault. Nope. Doesn't work that way. Not even close.
I definitely agree with the terminology in this statement. People need to get the phrase "right of way" out of their brains. It seems to cause a mindset of "I'm right, and I'm not going to yield my position until an accident occurrs".

Phrases like "stand-on", "give way", I feel more accurately describe the circumstances and lend to a mindset that BOTH parties are responsible for avoiding a collision, no matter who is "right".
11-01-2012 10:35 AM
denverd0n
Re: who had right away?

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Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
Marine accidents tend to have shared responsibility.
Tend to? More like, almost always. Why? Because no one has "right of way" in this situation (and certainly not "right away").

There is a "give-way" vessel, and there is a "stand-on" vessel, but in the end BOTH have the responsibility to avoid a collision. If you "stand-on" all the way into a collision, when you could have done something to avoid it, then you are just as much at fault as the "give-way" vessel that didn't.

I think that too many people believe this is like driving a car, and that if they have "right of way" then any accident that happens is going to be considered the other guy's fault. Nope. Doesn't work that way. Not even close.
11-01-2012 08:34 AM
CaptTom
Re: who had right away?

Good information, and good discussion.

Still, this is NOT the best place to seek information on Navigation Rules.

Go right to the rules. The book is cheap, and the web site is free. The rules are all written in plain English. You may need to cross-reference and look up a few of the finer details, but there's nothing in there which would require a law degree to figure out.

There is no excuse for operating a vessel of any kind without knowing these rules.
11-01-2012 07:23 AM
Minnewaska
Re: who had right away?

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Originally Posted by steel View Post
....If you are anchored they have to avoid you, but do you have to put up some kind of symbol to show that you are anchored?....
If your boat is over something like 40 feet LOA, you are supposed to hoist a black round day shape. I've never seen one in real life on a recreational boat.

If you're motor sailing, you're supposed to hoist an inverted cone. Again, these must be endangered species.
11-01-2012 12:56 AM
willywaw
Re: who had right away?

I agree with jackdale that the responsibility is a shared one.
You have every right to drift your boat most any where you wish, as long as you keep a watch.
In a constricted waterway, this isn't a good decision though.
If the guy that is on a collision course isn't keeping watch, they are derelict in their responsibilitys, in short someone has to be running the boat in a responsible manner.
Situations are varied, I really think that a signal reminder is NOT a bad thing, if used to elicit some response from a boat that otherwise seems to be running unattended, if they complain about that,sorry!
I do remember smallboatlover saying the vessel looked to him , unattended.
Lots of great input here!!
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