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11-28-2012 02:47 AM
Anderson222
Re: Looking for my first boat

Well this si good you have your boat you have all the latest features in your boat and this is good infomation about the boats also i was collecting fotr this information and also in collecting some Kayak and surfboard informaiton at here..
10-28-2012 10:00 AM
scurvy
Re: Looking for my first boat

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Originally Posted by jameswilson29 View Post
Gasoline fumes are the real danger. The fumes are heavier than air and can fill enclosed spaces like a boat. Boats with gasoline inboard engines have a blower to expel the fumes from the inside of the boat before starting the engine.

In addition, gasoline has a lower flash point than diesel fuel. You can light gasoline with a match, whereas you cannot light diesel fuel with a match.

Diesels engines do not require the complicated ignition systems that gasoline engines do, making them simpler and more reliable.
Totally agree, however, I had an Atomic 4 In my Sabre and loved that little engine. There are simple steps to take to assure that the gas engine can be used safely. Closing all hatches, ports and washboards when fueling up, then airing everything out prior to firing up the engine. Run the sparkless blower for the recommended amount of time, etc...should be no problem.

People have LP gas on board which is equally as dangerous, seeks low areas (ie: bilge) and can go up in an instant, but do we recommend to cruisers to use alcohol stoves only? As long as the proper steps are taken and become ritual, one should have no issues with operating a gas inboard safely.

In terms of reliability, I had more trouble with my diesel on the Vega than I did with the A4, your mileage may vary. diesel needs to be treated, water can build up, micro organisms can grow, fuel filters need to be watched carefully, lines bled constantly...they are a lot of maintenance as well.

I guess my point here is not to allow a gas engine to be a deal breaker for you necessarily, particularly if it has been well maintained.

Good luck with your search and welcome to the sailing family!
10-28-2012 08:09 AM
future sailor
Re: Looking for my first boat

Well, we went and looked at our first boat(s) yesterday. OMG! My head is still spinning trying to wrap my head around it all. Man do I have a lot to learn and there are a lot of things to know and learn about a boat. But the wife definitely said "we don't need a small boat" lol. she wants a private head or porta-pot. And she likes the more "open" layout of the cat 26/7(?) we looked at. That's good and bad I suppose. Lets me/us know where to head and how to get there, but also means more work for me now. lol.
10-26-2012 08:10 AM
jameswilson29
Re: Looking for my first boat

Lead has the greatest density of the three allowing a smaller volume for the same weight. Lead absorbs more energy in the event of a grounding. Lead is the easiest to re-shape for optimal speed of the foil through the water. Lead may also be the most expensive to use; consequently cheaper boats and high volume production builders have used iron or steel.

I understand you can now recycle a lead keel for about $1 a pound.
10-26-2012 06:43 AM
future sailor
Re: Looking for my first boat

TY Steve for the input.

Another question, is there any difference in a steel or lead or iron keel?
10-25-2012 11:16 AM
steve77
Re: Looking for my first boat

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Originally Posted by future sailor View Post
Hope this is the right place to post this. A little background. My wife and I are new to the hobby/lifestyle of sailing. We are looking to start enjoying the water. We are still very new and very dumb with sailing so please bear with me and us on the stupid questions.
Where we are in this process. We are wanting to start out on Lake Lanier here in Atlanta and eventually get out on the open water. We are wanting to do overnight and weekend trips now and hopefully transition to living aboard in a few years or so. So we are thinking of 23-30 foot. I'm thinking fixed keel so we won't have to upgrade immediately to get out onto open water. Obviously a head and galley area are kind of important. I'm tall (6'3") but am not overly concerned with height as i'm somewhat accustom to watching my head but I don't wanna have to crawl on my knees. I'm thinking sleeping 4 as we would probably eventually have the in laws or other couple coming with us some. A wind direction indicator of some sort, GPS and depth gauge are a bit important I think. A way to cook will be somewhat important too but I think a portable grill can suffice for the time being.
Ok, so dumb questions:
1) what is the problem with buying a boat that's been on the dry for a long time? I know there are a lot of seals and stuff that can break down, but I'm thinking structurally. I can repair just about anything (my other hobby is woodworking) but I do understand there comes a point where fixing something is just not worth it. I understand the cost vs value issue. That's why I'm looking at structural issues and such.
2) What issues to look for on a boat? I know to look at the hull integrity, keel damage, rudder issues, chain plates and and soft spots in the deck etc. But what kind of things are really deal killer type things? Like some soft spots may not be as bad as others, right?
3) inboard vs outboard? Pros and cons? Is there a rule of thumb of some sort on the size of the motor to the size of the boat? Diesel or gas? Does it really matter or is it a tree hugger personal preference thing?
4) Any specific features to look for?

Ok, I think I've made myself look like enough of a newbie. Thanks for the advice and insight. I've been trying to immerse myself in this and take it all in so please feel free to throw out any advice you have.

Thanks!!
What you're planning for is fairly close to my recent experience, so I'll share some thoughts- firstly, you might consider a smallish (~ 25 ft) boat for now, while you're on the lake and then look to move up when you start on the ocean. I say this because once you have a first boat you will start to learn what really works for you and what doesn't. For example, you say that you're 6'3" but don't mind stooping a bit. That's fine for day sailing and some weekends, but once you're living aboard it probably won't be. I'm 6'1" and I had to stoop a bit on my first boat. Once I started spending weekends aboard it got old. It's nice to be able to stand up straight.

Also, I wouldn't worry to much about a full vs fin keel. Unless you're planning to cross oceans you can sail just fine with a fin keel. I don't know what your lake is like as far as depth but you may need a shallower draft on the lake than you would on the coast.

And if you want room to sleep 4 adults in reasonable comfort you're probably going to want something around 30 ft or more. So if I was in your situation (and I sort of was a few years ago) I would spend some time thinking seriously about whether I should go small and simple for now, and then move up in a few years (which is what I ended up doing), or try to find a bigger (and less simple to maintain) boat right from the start.

Either way, best of luck to you...

-Steve
10-25-2012 09:09 AM
jameswilson29
Re: Looking for my first boat

Gasoline fumes are the real danger. The fumes are heavier than air and can fill enclosed spaces like a boat. Boats with gasoline inboard engines have a blower to expel the fumes from the inside of the boat before starting the engine.

In addition, gasoline has a lower flash point than diesel fuel. You can light gasoline with a match, whereas you cannot light diesel fuel with a match.

Diesels engines do not require the complicated ignition systems that gasoline engines do, making them simpler and more reliable.
10-25-2012 08:58 AM
future sailor
Re: Looking for my first boat

Thanks for the input guys. It's all very welcome. I'll be putting it to use. This is not something that I or we are going into with blind eyes and empty minds. I am trying to get all the info I can. It seems like with fiberglass that if stored properly the structure shouldn't degrade being on the dry. The only reason I'm asking about it is because I'm trying to see if buying a boat on the dry is fighting a losing battle. I don't want to get a good deal that turns out to be a bad deal. I'm not saying I am only thinking or wanting just one boat, but it's one that is on the list of lookers, if it's not a bad thing to get one from on land.
The gas vs diesel and explosion concerns. Is that mostly just a concern bc of the heat from the sun or possible leaks or is there something else I don't know about yet?
I would like to have a little racer/cruiser type boat to play on and learn to push limits on, but the boss is dead set on being off the grid and relaxing for a day or 3 at a time so that kind of puts a day boat on the shelf for now. I think we have determined that the boat needs to be trailer-able to take home and tinker with and go other places with, but I think with the need to be weekend friendly and passenger friendly, anything less than 24 might be a bit too tight. Is that correct?

Thanks again everyone and happy sailing.
10-24-2012 11:12 PM
Marcel D
Re: Looking for my first boat

Future Sailer welcome to the site. I would say learn small go day sailing for a year and if you both like it, then start to look for a larger boat. When I say start small I mean a 17 foot day sailer not a cabin cruiser. Some thing that you can pop in and out for the water for a summer or 2 take lesons on her, learn to sail her, anchore her, naviagate her. It is easyier to sell a 17 footer than to sell a 30 foot some thing. Catalina made a nice 17 foot day sailer with a swing keel quite stable. So far in my sailing carrier i have had a Laser, sea spray 15, a Sanjuan21, Captiva240, Beneteau First 285, and now a Beneteau 340. It all takes time baby steeps, Really learn to sail before you buy a big boat, their is real alot to learn. You might think when you cast off your lines its all fun and games but their is a lot more to worrie about.
10-24-2012 09:47 PM
Hudsonian
Re: Looking for my first boat

Consider sailing on other people's boats. A quick search shows many clubs on Lake Lanier. Reach out to the contacts listed on their websites. Be square about your interest and enthusiasm. I expect that you'll find yourself sailing without having made an investment. Your time on OPB's will quickly provide more insight into what you should be looking for.
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