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01-10-2013 04:27 PM
K0RINA
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

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Originally Posted by downeast450 View Post
Capt

"It's the filling tide that is really annoying." Yup! There must be limits to the hull shape that can stand careening. I am guessing the I-28 is well outside them. I wonder what they are? I have wondered if, in an emergency, I could careen on top of my Avon and with its added buoyancy, keep ahead of the incoming water as I lifted on the tide. Bob Perry might have an opinion. It is his creation.

I can repair the fiberglass.

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Now THAT is a GOOD idea
01-10-2013 01:20 PM
K0RINA
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

How about Careening a fin keeled boat - halyard down to a pulley on a beach side tree and then haul on a winch to pull the boat over - a dry land broach...to scrape the weed off the bottom.
11-17-2012 07:38 AM
downeast450
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

Shortman,

Thanks. I share your appreciation of Jock William's yard. They are good folks. Having them haul me for a quick fix would certainly work.

There are several options near me that are good options if I need to engage a yard. I am thinking through the complexity or simplicity of just drying out for a tide to check something or clean the hull. If my plan works out, I will have a simple solution 100 yards from my mooring that involves only me, the boat and the moon.

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11-16-2012 09:57 PM
Shortman
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

Run up Somes Sound to Jock William's yard. Better rates, good folks. Talk to Jaime.
11-14-2012 05:15 AM
downeast450
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

Paul,

I agree with your concern about the structural contribution of 2x4s. There was a day that a clear 1/4 sawn 2x4 had some "juice". Those days are long gone. I have a set of pump jack supports I built of carefully selected 2x4s back in the 80s when live edges were not standard on dimensional lumber. I could use them or 4x4s as you suggest. A couple of lengths of 2" sch 40 aluminum pipe would be my druthers with a purchases for the toe rail.

Thank you for your considerate observation. Hoping you dodged the Sandy bullet.

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11-13-2012 09:33 PM
paulk
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

One thing comes to mind after re-reading this thread and looking at the I 28's keel profile. You might want the supports to be a touch heftier than 2x4's, just in case. )(4x4?) Adding a chock or a notch to the upper end of the support so that it fits in a specific spot on the hull might be a good idea too - you don't want the thing slipping too much out of place, once you get it in. The engine & tankage weight aft would make me want a strut back there too, if only to protect the rudder.
11-12-2012 02:30 PM
downeast450
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

Med,

Thanks for the encouragement. I am now comfortable with the process. This forum has given me the feedback I needed. I just had a Brownell truck miss my keel, start to haul, I slipped between the supports, scraped faring off the keel! Yikes! I should be able to expect the guy who I am paying to haul my boat to be capable of doing it without damaging anything. I will supervise the process myself next time. If there is a next time for that guy. It is disturbing how careless many service providers are. I used to run a 60 ton TravelLift in Eastport, ME. I even have an operators certificate from TravelLIft. It isn't rocket science! I prefer to take care of things myself, too. No one does it better.... Ha!

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11-12-2012 02:13 PM
MedSailor
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

People do this all the time. You should be fine. I'd rather do this than have some yard haul my boat. I hate the feeling of seeing my boat suspended by old straps with a 19y/o kid driving the travel lift.

All that water in your tanks is to the good. If you find you need to "move" some weight around just turn on the tap and empty a tank or two.

Faster, the idea of tying 2 boats together to careen is novel. Scary, but ballzy.... Not sure I'd try it either. I have visions of them slipping apart and tangling their masts together.

MedSailor
11-12-2012 01:09 PM
downeast450
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

Faster,

The engine, 3 large batteries, 20 gallons of fuel and 20 gallons of water are all aft of center. So is all the stuff stored under the 1/4 birth and in the cockpit locker. The 3K lead is swept aft so it extends forward of center a good bit. The mast of course, too. I have played with balance on the hard to get an idea of any tendency and it might be a little bow heavy but you are right, not much. I think moving weight around aboard will be enough to tweak the balance. A bow boat stand would be a simple thing to add. I don't anticipate much if any activity aboard when it is dried out. The captain will be on the ground. The two rafted boats bow down would be an interesting picture.

Thanks,

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11-12-2012 11:13 AM
Faster
Re: Breasting my fin keel? Help please.

The first time you do this is always the most interesting... until you try it (or unless you know someone with a sistership that knows) you won't know whether or not the boat will tend bow down or stern down.

You can support the 'heavy' end with straps or lines off of sturdy cleats, the 'weight' is often just a relatively low 'out of balance' amount, not usually anything too significant.

I've seen people with similar boats (Ericson 27 and Catalina 27) raft up together and then dry out on a flat beach.. both boats ended up nose down, but upright as they were tied together.. not sure I'd try it but they got away with it that time...
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