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12-12-2012 01:27 AM
Jgbrown Going to semi gloss vs the same in eggshell(100% acrylic with mildewcides that I already purchased for the job) did not provide a significant durability or ease of cleaning increase per the paint shop experts.

A defective batch of paint caused the problems, ignoring your advice would have avoided the problem too:P
I chose to follow your suggestion, and took it one step further to get the best available paint, harder, better bonding and longer lasting, which was the intent of the your advice as I understood it?
So an I told you so wasn't really warranted... It would have been warranted if I used my eggshell paint, then complained about the durability and ease of cleaning.


I read carefully the advice and suggestions and increased my cost and effort a lot, leaving me couch surfing for extra weeks so far while I dealt with the paint. I appreciate the advice that was given, I may find your comment funny later, I'm just too stressed to find much humor in it right now.


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12-12-2012 01:17 AM
SloopJonB
Re: Interior painting time!

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Use the acrylic semi-gloss. Get one formulated for bathrooms & kitchens as they have mildewcides in them.
I think something got lost in the discussion.
12-11-2012 11:04 PM
Jgbrown Umm... I followed the advice here, to do it once and use something better I went back to the paint shop to go to semi-gloss instead of my original eggshel.

They said changing the sheen that much with the same paint insignificant, if the surface hardness and scrubbing was so critical then alkyd(oil) only way to really increase it.
I was advised that the alkyd/water hybrid was essentially the same, but with alkyd solids instead of acrylic solids, giving the increase in durability, ease of cleaning and long life that was the intent of all the advice.


So I can understand why you wouldn't want to say something like that... Unless with the I told you so comes an offer to come help sand off the outcome of the advice?


It's not the fault of the advice givers that paint was defective.
The advice normally should have worked and I appreciate the time spent to give the advice. I listened, I worked even harder than I already had on surface prep, I spent several days worth of pay on doing this right, right paint, right temperature, controlled humidity and two weeks of sanding and scraping, plus a day pressure washing and scrubbing then went and bought a better paint.
12-08-2012 02:59 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Interior painting time!

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Originally Posted by Jgbrown View Post
Update: In between my calling the paint shop to complain about it, and me getting around to returning the paint, there was a recall issued for the exact issue I had. They replaced my paint with paint from a different batch which did a lot better. Still not perfect though.

Guess they're still working the bugs out, not sure if it was worth the extra expense over the 100% acrylic water based kitchen and bath paint at almost triple the cost... Hopefully it lasts well, I don't want to do this again, a frustrating experience after spending the extra money but it looks pretty reasonable now. It seems to have dried quite hard and is more even at least.

EDIT: Shouldn't type late at night, extra expense over not OF. If I were doing it again, or recommending it to someone else, I'd go with a 100% acrylic kitchen and bath, or an alkyd exterior with mildew resistance if you can still find it in your area. The new hybrid paints seem like they'll be good, but the consistency and reliability just aren't there yet, and it's not a fun project to re-do.
I don't want to say "I told....." Nah, I won't say it.
12-08-2012 04:36 AM
Jgbrown
Re: Interior painting time!

Update: In between my calling the paint shop to complain about it, and me getting around to returning the paint, there was a recall issued for the exact issue I had. They replaced my paint with paint from a different batch which did a lot better. Still not perfect though.

Guess they're still working the bugs out, not sure if it was worth the extra expense over the 100% acrylic water based kitchen and bath paint at almost triple the cost... Hopefully it lasts well, I don't want to do this again, a frustrating experience after spending the extra money but it looks pretty reasonable now. It seems to have dried quite hard and is more even at least.

EDIT: Shouldn't type late at night, extra expense over not OF. If I were doing it again, or recommending it to someone else, I'd go with a 100% acrylic kitchen and bath, or an alkyd exterior with mildew resistance if you can still find it in your area. The new hybrid paints seem like they'll be good, but the consistency and reliability just aren't there yet, and it's not a fun project to re-do.
11-24-2012 09:04 PM
Jgbrown
Re: Interior painting time!

I don't have any pictures of the overall finished look, I took those on an actual camera, here are some cell shots during the process though.





Lots to scrape



Sanded down



Ready to prime





First layer of top-coat, looked great. I was really pleased that I'd spent the extra 140$(over and above the first 40$ for regular paint I had planned to use) Right up until...



The entire V-berth did this, it did this on the tape, on the plywood, inside lockers, everywhere :-(.

looks like I threw sand in for non skid, but it was pressure washed, dried very carefully, temperature and humidity within spec. The paint shop said that they had guys throw it on with no prep work, never mind sanding down completely, pressure washing, scrubbing, spraying with cleaner, pressure washing again and then holding humidity at a specific level before and during the whole paint process.
11-24-2012 05:46 PM
souljour2000
Re: Interior painting time!

previous owner of my C-40 columbia had this for interior paint scheme..going with a scheme like the last pic with the turquoise of a different shade as trim...white being the main color throughout..using acrylic ...maybe some dark burgundy cushions for some warmth will make a true retro-look that avoids beingt too bleak or herreschoff-sterile...thats the plan anyways...

I have got it all gone(lime-yellow) except for forepeak/v-berth...they even painted a fair bit of teak trim throughout in their quest to cover her insides with lime-yellow green and dark tealy sort of turqoiuse trim...I am going mediterranean with the teak toe rail and rub rail and fairing the old teak and painting..so might as well do the inside that way though am leaving most of the unpainted teak trim inside and in hatches etc, handrails...coach roof column,etc . Good luck with your v-berth and post as many pics as you can of course...
11-24-2012 03:38 PM
Jgbrown After pressure washing I ran fans and a dehumidifier for a few days, humidity was stable at 45%. Then I decided to go all the way, I bought new oil base primer/cover stain and water-borne oil top coat. Both interior exterior, supposed to work together and of high quality. Cost me 140$ for a gallon of each with my discount there but worth the cost since I don't want to be doing this again. Kept temperature etc all within spec while painting, primer yesterday, top coat today. The top coat looked great for 10 minutes, then as it dried it got thousands of microscopic bubbles, looks like I threw sand in the paint...

Technical sales representative from the paint company will be here on Monday or Tuesday, but whatever the result, I'll be sanding down and doing it again.





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11-13-2012 05:49 PM
sarafinadh
Re: Interior painting time!

Our fiberglass is not faired, it has a deep waffley texture and paint clung to those dips. We did do a few interim washes and then worked at it further. Stuff kept comig up!

When it was all done we washed down, scrubbed,and then did a final wash.
11-13-2012 03:46 PM
Jgbrown Hmm. Sorry, I'm still not understanding entirely, if you were using those tools how did you contain dust?

When you finished sanding how was there paint left attached for the pressure washer, wouldn't the sander remove all if that, and if not wouldn't that create new areas and sharp paint edges needing sanding after the pressure wash? I'm wondering if I should pressure wash now to try and get what I can to loosen before spending hours sanding.

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