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11-15-2012 02:57 PM
Fstbttms
Re: Cleaning Hull in the water

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
Do you know where to find the 2hr 12v compressor these guys use? I would love to put together a kit, perhaps inside a large toolbox, with battery, compressor and charger.

I'm still very interested in the 110v unit you mentioned early, but they are pretty hard to find.

Would you essentially be comfortable with any oil-less compressor one wanted to use? Or is there some spec minimum you look for (CFM, PSI, etc?)
Almost every commercially available hookah I've ever seen is based on a Thomas compressor (be it gas, electric or battery powered), and frankly, I wouldn't use anything else. You can get away with using any oil-less compressor (as long as it provides adequate airflow and pressure.) I think 3/4 hp/100 psi/2+ cfm would be minimum performance specs for an electric compressor.

Here is a link to the Thomas web site. You can browse the catalog to find the 12-volt compressor that J. Sink is using:

http://www.gd-thomas.com/

The Thomas 1020 is currently only available new through a rather limited network of distributors. You'd need to contact Thomas to find the one closest to you. I've had good response from the SoCal distributor-

Chester Paul Company: The Distributor

I am currently buiding a hookah based on another popular Thomas model, the 1207. This compressor is used not only in many high-end hookahs (I think all the Air Line by J. Sink electric hookahs use it) but it is also used to power many of the Thomas workshop/jobsite compressors, which can be found in abundance on craigslist. So there are many more 1207s out there than 1020s. I bought a clean, working unit on craigslist a couple of months ago for $80 (including shipping) although they typically go for around $350 used (interestingly, Thomas workshop/jobsite compressors using the 1207 can be had used for under $200.) For me, the 1207 will be the compressor of choice going forward.



Edit: I realise now that I previously posted most of this info several pages ago. Apologies.
11-15-2012 02:39 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Cleaning Hull in the water

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Originally Posted by Fstbttms View Post
I enjoy putting together my own hookahs and find I can typically do it for less than half the going retail price for identical units, using the exact same components.
Do you know where to find the 2hr 12v compressor these guys use? I would love to put together a kit, perhaps inside a large toolbox, with battery, compressor and charger.

I'm still very interested in the 110v unit you mentioned early, but they are pretty hard to find.

Would you essentially be comfortable with any oil-less compressor one wanted to use? Or is there some spec minimum you look for (CFM, PSI, etc?)
11-15-2012 11:38 AM
Fstbttms
Re: Cleaning Hull in the water

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So, all in, maybe $1500 with mask, tax and shipping? I get tempted to drop that on a unit, but only when mildly intoxicated.
I enjoy putting together my own hookahs and find I can typically do it for less than half the going retail price for identical units, using the exact same components.
11-15-2012 08:54 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Cleaning Hull in the water

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I bought a 12 volt unit from jsi. It works great and you can be down for a couple of hours without running your batteries down. I did buy a full face mask which makes it all much easier. IST makes a pretty good silicone full face for about a hundred bucks. It would have been cheaper to hire the bottom cleaning done, but now I do it far more often.
DD
So, all in, maybe $1500 with mask, tax and shipping? I get tempted to drop that on a unit, but only when mildly intoxicated.

Its just seems impossible to justify and I'm also concerned that it would not get used enough to keep it from decomposing in the lazz.
11-14-2012 10:13 PM
j34035
Re: Cleaning Hull in the water

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I bought a 12 volt unit from jsi. It works great and you can be down for a couple of hours without running your batteries down. I did buy a full face mask which makes it all much easier. IST makes a pretty good silicone full face for about a hundred bucks. It would have been cheaper to hire the bottom cleaning done, but now I do it far more often.
DD
11-14-2012 06:18 PM
Fstbttms
Re: Cleaning Hull in the water

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It goes to the point. Environmental arguments are almost never rational. Seems we're on the same page.
Perhaps. But in your marina's instance, I'd almost be willing to bet that rather than "environmentalists" banning hull cleaning, it is actually the marina operator and their lawyers who are looking to reduce their exposure. No altruistic love of the environment involved. That's certainly been the scenario here in California.

Whatever is the case in your harbor, it was a decision made in ignorance of the facts.
11-14-2012 05:50 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Cleaning Hull in the water

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If they really wanted to effect change, they'd ban the use of copper-based anti fouling paints in your harbor. In-water hull cleaning actually contributes very little metal to the water column.
It goes to the point. Environmental arguments are almost never rational. Seems we're on the same page.
11-14-2012 02:11 PM
Jgbrown In the same way that a small amount of cleaner contributes little to the water?

The comparison between industrial dumping, and a small amount of cleaner on a boat is the same. 10, 000 gallons of toxins from industrial usage is not the same. The analogy about everyone doing it applies just as well to the cleaning and small amount of copper released, except that the copper stays around longer.

Moderation and reasonable precautions are a much better solution than absolute bans based on lack of understanding of differences in scale.


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11-14-2012 09:26 AM
Fstbttms
Re: Cleaning Hull in the water

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Environmentalists have banned hull cleaning divers in my harbor. They don't buy the rationalization.
If they really wanted to effect change, they'd ban the use of copper-based anti fouling paints in your harbor. In-water hull cleaning actually contributes very little metal to the water column.
11-14-2012 06:40 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Cleaning Hull in the water

Environmentalists have banned hull cleaning divers in my harbor. They don't buy the rationalization.
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