SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related) > Permission required to use boat photos?
 Not a Member? 


Thread: Permission required to use boat photos? Reply to Thread
Title:
  

By choosing to post the reply below you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Topic Review (Newest First)
12-05-2006 04:37 PM
kavakava Don't forget to check your insurance. It's getting harder to get if you charter your boat, and you'll need frequent surveys.
12-05-2006 04:14 PM
sailingfool
Copyright Rules

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor
Well, that URL to the copyright office pages will also show you a "tip of the day" spot. According to the CO's tip today, you may be liable for up to $30,000 for your first use of someone else's material. No mention of cease and desist, the infringement enough is sufficient for damages. A letter of C&D and the subsequent actions would only speak to the issue of total/continuing damages.

Concepts like "quasi-personal" use only make the lawyers rich. Under the "new" copyright laws it really is very simple, the same rules you learned in kindergarden. If you play with toys that aren't yours...Someone is gonna come along and do something about it.

I've noticed in this new internet world, people just don't get the concept of "personal property" and "property rights". Until, that is, someone else comes along and violates theirs. Funny how that works.
That legalease means nothing outside of a significant commercial venue, involving at least some deep pockets and an axe to grind.

Take a look at Youtube.com which contains thousands on thousands of copyrighted clips...
12-05-2006 03:30 PM
hellosailor Well, that URL to the copyright office pages will also show you a "tip of the day" spot. According to the CO's tip today, you may be liable for up to $30,000 for your first use of someone else's material. No mention of cease and desist, the infringement enough is sufficient for damages. A letter of C&D and the subsequent actions would only speak to the issue of total/continuing damages.

Concepts like "quasi-personal" use only make the lawyers rich. Under the "new" copyright laws it really is very simple, the same rules you learned in kindergarden. If you play with toys that aren't yours...Someone is gonna come along and do something about it.

I've noticed in this new internet world, people just don't get the concept of "personal property" and "property rights". Until, that is, someone else comes along and violates theirs. Funny how that works.
12-05-2006 03:19 PM
sidiag
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingdog
Actually, in standard copyright law, they can't sue you until after they've sent you a cease and desist order and then catch you violating it. In copyright law, the first bite is free....

I would advise checking with legal counsel prior to acting on this advice.
12-05-2006 03:18 PM
sailingfool To legally use someone else's photos requires permission, but I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to use stock Beneteau materials on a charter website - it the site is only for one or a few boats, the page is almost quasi-personal. The worst that can happen, is someone may ask you to take them down...but it'll never happen...

However, don't use any pictures that have a copyright in the photo! You can also consider just linking to other pages, such as Beneteau's rather than duplicating their material. I agree with others that actual photos of your boat will be of most value to tire-kickers.
12-05-2006 01:09 PM
sailingdog Actually, in standard copyright law, they can't sue you until after they've sent you a cease and desist order and then catch you violating it. In copyright law, the first bite is free....
12-05-2006 12:22 PM
sidiag
Quote:
Originally Posted by chriskef
Hi
I noticed alot of companies using standard Beneteau photos on their sites and wonder if they had to get permission to use them.
Chris
Thread drift

Permission to use add copy may be as simple as a written request.
It does advertise their product - indirectly - which may be OK with
them. But ASK first -

and remember the phrase
'I can sue you for less money than it will cost defend against it'

The safest way would be to take/hire/comission original art/photography
for your business.

Good luck
12-05-2006 09:47 AM
ianhlnd Chriskef, and hellosailor

here's a link that goes directly to the copyright office (US) FAQ's hope it helps:
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/
12-05-2006 12:40 AM
hellosailor Ian, by "works of the Government" here I meant artistic works, copyrightable works, not "public works" as in buildings. If you find any reference on the former, I'd love to see it. But on the latter...No, I'm not concerned with whether aliens buy or visit our public works.
12-04-2006 10:35 PM
ianhlnd Postscript.
REREAD:
In the case of the owner of the photograph itself, that is a different question. The copyright of the photo belongs to the taker of that picture.

Ansel Adams took a photo of the moon coming over half dome in yosemite, that same scene is photographed 1000's of times a year. In each of those cases the copyright belongs to the photographer taking the photo.

As stated, with identifing marks removed, and a caption of "............" whatever, the photo becomes "significantly changed from the original to represent a new work."

There's no weasel here, if there wasn't some gray area, there wouldn't be any new photographs published anywhere. Lets face it, How many photos of a Beneteau 39 are there, thousands, millions. I'm afraid we may be discouraging the person who started this thread from even advertising his chartering service with this nit picking of the copyright laws, which probably don't even apply anyway if he has a picture that he took of the boat.
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:20 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.