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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#3,176 ·
Jeanneau 3600



Thanks Marty. Almost all those pictures were posted but that PDF gives new information even if none in what regards the interior that seems to be the negative part of this boat, in what regards performance cruising. However I could not access the internet pages you have posted. They ask me to log in;)

I guess that you are refereeing to this:

http://www.navark.se/wp-content/uploads/navark/Broschyr_sf3600.pdf

The new images:





The overall shape of the hull seems great to me for a 36ft boat but the only access to cockpit storage is very small. Even if the space is considerable, as I suppose, it would have a difficult access. Given the storage space it is certain that for cruising, or even offshore racing this is a one cabin only boat since the other cabin would be full of stuff (4 persons anyway). If so it is difficult to understand why one of the cabins has not a cockpit access, like for instance on the J 111.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,178 ·
Vendee Globe

The race continues with an incredible pace. Armel has managed to maintain the lead, François had overtaken Jean-Pierre and maintain about the same distance to Armel. Stamm gained some miles.

For the next gate I believe there are two ways: one passing over it and I think that it is what Armel is going to do and other one crossing it from below. Stamm is probably going to cross it coming from bellow. François and Jean-Pierre can go either way. It seems to me that for a day or so Armel will have advantage but then it is possible that he enters a zone with weak winds.

Stamm will have a worse wind angle but will have wind all the way. I don't know what is better but I start to have a huge respect for Armel that is managing to pass without losing much speed in zones that seems that are going to slow him down a lot. So....:D

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking


Day 25 highlights - Tuesday, December 4, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,179 ·
Swiss and sailing

Swiss never ceases to amaze me in what regards sailing: how a small country with less people than New York, without sea or any sea tradition has managed to won 2 Americas cup and have two top sailors competing in the Vendee Globe?

In fact on of them, Stamm is on the leading pack and I guess it is one of the five I think is going to win the race. The other one is Dominique and he is far from being the last, racing on the second pack (7th now). These guys an Alinghy have been raising in the country a lot of interest in sailing and sailing is on the rise in Swiss. let's have a look at the kids and at the old timers;)



Swiss Sailing Promo Video 2011 from VIDEO.JUERGKAUFMANN.COM on Vimeo.


Bernard Stamm's portrait por VendeeGlobeTV


Dominique Wavre's portrait por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,185 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe



Sorry, I was out. And happily François stopped boat was not a problem with him or the boat but only an electronic glitch . I am very happy that it is so;).

The race is better than ever and in 24 hours, as I have previewed they will find very difficult conditions and I am not talking about stormy conditions but quite the opposite: almost no wind at that gate.

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

Regarding what I have said last night regarding the two ways to pass that gate (North and South) it is clear know that the best way from the South and the leading trio that was pointing to pass it North (following Armel) are now coming down to pass it from South. of course, this means that the ones that have been pointing South since the beginning had won a lot of miles and they are Stamm and Alex.

Since the moment they were almost all at the same latitude, till choosing the best strategy to pass the next gate and the high pressure center that is over it, Stamm gained to the leader 25.2Nm and Alex 10.8Nm and I bet they are going to continue to win for some more time. Stamm is only at 10kn from the third and it is possible that in 24 hours he can catch Jean-Pierre and overtake him.

That would be great after the problems that had slowed down Stamm. Let's see again those incredible images of him going up that mast, at speed with the boat pounding heavily on waves. I confess that I had never saw that, I mean a guy going up on the mast without slowing down a lot, or stop:eek:


Bernard Stamm grimpe en tête de mât por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,186 · (Edited)
Jeanneau 57

Not a new boat, It was released in 2009. Why post about it? Well do you know of any boat with more than 55ft that in the last 3 years have sold more than 100 boats:eek:? Its that is truly amazing in these years of crisis and that means something. Contrary to what many people think sailors chose the right boats to buy, the ones that go with their sailing program/money almost always if not always a best seller is a great boat for what was designed for. This one is no exception.

This is a Philip Briand (Hull) and Garroni (interior) design, and a very good one, that is built by Jeanneau at a very competitive price, not to say low because it seems a bit ridiculous to talk about low when we are talking about a bit less than half a million of Euros. Go and see what you would buy with that on Halberg Rassy or XC yachts and you will be surprised about the difference in size. The quality is also good, better than in smaller Jeanneau.

I like the boat a lot, regarding conception and interior design. This boat has a very modern hull/Keel/ruder and even what regards B/D (31%) it has one that in a boat with this size and weight (21 450kg) is more than adequate.

I also like the interior and that garage with winch and all that is needed to put a dingy of considerable size inside without any effort. It is a fast boat too.

The only think I don't like in the overall design is the transom design that looks a bit voluminous. I understand that there the design is complicated by the needs of the garage and also in what regards the height needed by that master aft room, but even so I think they could have done better.

Have a look:











































 
#3,188 ·
Vendee Globe

They are trying to pass the gate before the Anti-cyclone is on the way but I guess they will get weak wind over the gate.

As previewed Stamm is almost catching Jean-Pierre and is winning miles to everyone. Only 2.4Nm to pass it and have won also some miles to the leader.

Alex is confusing me. Where the hell is he going? the only explanation I can get is that he thinks everybody is going to get caught on that high and that he is coming charging from the South with the wind on a much better angle. It seems a long shot to me:rolleyes:

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

Today's movie: they keep charging: This is a fast vendee Globe;)


Day 26 highlights - Wednesday, December 5, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,189 · (Edited)
ARC news

and interesting news they are;)

On the racing division, surprise surprise, a 40ft boat has very good chances not only to win the race but to get line honors too, I mean win in real time. The 40ft is racing against for instance a Swan 80:D

The boat is this one, Vaquita, a 40class racer:



And the surprises don't finish here, just behind that Swan 80 comes a very special 54ft, a performance cruising boat the JP54, a Guillaume Verdier design and a concept by Jean- Pierre (3th on the vendee Globe right now) regarding what is for him a perfect cruising boat. You can see him on this video talking about the JP54:





The surprises doesn't finish with the JP54. Not far away comes the new Pogo 50 performance cruiser, a much more simple and incredibly less expensive boat. Amazing how the Pogo is near that Swan 80 and ahead of a Carol Marine 60 a 1999 Farr racing design. There is one for sale and they say about the Carol marine 60:

The last (and considered the fastest) of the three race designed Farr 60's she and her sisterships continue to dominate the winners circles. One sistership won three major NYYC awards this past Summer of 2010 and S&S has been dominating on the West coast.

Well, it seems that it is not a match in a Transat for a 2012 "cheap" cruising Pogo 50, that even has a swinging keel to go to the beach:D





You can follow the race here:

World Cruising Club - Fleet Viewer

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#3,190 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

Super interesting:

Armel was the only one that tried to pass the gate on the most direct route and has I have previewed he got caught in weak winds and is making only 5.8k speed. He will be in trouble for 10 hours or so. If he can make it still in the lead he will will be deserving the title of Champion of the weak winds: That's the second time he have attempted a stunt like that. The first time all specialists were saying that he would not make it without losing lots of time... and he did it. Can he make it a second time?

All the others have followed Alex and dived South. Alex is already changed course and is pointing to the gate and the others will follow soon.

In fact it seems that on this Video, that has posted more recently than the last course actualization, François is already pointing to the gate...at speed. However after crossing it he will also have a zone with weak winds and he knows that when he says: "I am going to cross the gate and after that...we will see";)


Armel Le Cléac'h avant la porte Crozet por VendeeGlobeTV

The organization is giving first place to François but I think that Armel has played masterfully again: Maybe he will lose some miles now but then we will be much more South then the others, getting more wind and going like a rocket.

I hope he gets lucky with the icebergs because I think he is going to dive South, a lot, before turning to the next gate and somewhere along the way he has a very good chance to beat the 24 hours world speed record again on this race.

Regarding speed, Alex told the press that he had been several times over 30K:eek:. One man on a boat over 30K, that is frightening. One thing is going over 30 on a VOR with 11 guys, one at the wheel and two guys controlling each sail. One guy controlling everything at over 30K? Jesus:rolleyes:

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

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#3,191 · (Edited)
ARC - cruising division

The boat that is leading the cruising division is a big one but far from being the bigger one on the fleet. It is a 62ft but it has such a big advantage to everybody else (except a smaller sister) that deserves a big praise here. It is not even a performance boat, just a very good bluewater boat, even if its performance looks like one from a performance boat.

It's the boat that won last year European boat of the year contest in the category of Luxury yachts, the Oyster 625. The testers said that they were impressed with its sailing performance, well it seems they were not the only ones, I am impressed too:D Have a look at the boat. It does not like a fast boat to me. Appearances can be deceiving, but that's a luxury boat for sure;)



To the North, there is an older Oyster 565 doing almost as well or even better if we compare the size. Great ocean cruising boats the Oysters, but I guess that all know that, as all know also that they are expensive:D

On the next size of boats the distinction goes to a Swann 48. The boat is one of Swan bestsellers, a recent model (1995/2003) designed by German Frers, a fast boat that can do very well in heavy weather. A very expensive boat, like all the Swan, a performance cruiser with a good cruising interior.



Then a reference to Ocean cruising cats that as usual, on a downwind Transat are faster then comparatively sized monohulls. The one that is making better regarding its size is a Catana 431 that is not far from that Swan 48.

The catana 431 is not a new boat (it has about the same age of that Swan) and has been replaced in the Catana range by the 42 (or the 47):



Some images of the boat and the current Catana range



an then, two boats are impressing me, one because it is just a bluewater cruising boat with no performance in mind doing amazingly well, the other that should be theoretically faster, but it is slightly behind, is a bigger inexpensive mass production boat, the first of the inexpensive modern boats (if we don't consider the Pogo 50 that is on the racing series), a Hanse 531 that manages to be ahead of a First 50. The other one, the one that is not a performance boat, that is ahead of these two is a favorite of mine, a XC-50, a production bluewater boat in the same class of Halberg-Rassy and as that one, a great but expensive sailboat.



the 431 has been replaced recently by the Hanse 445. This is the 431:



This is the 445



I will leave the boats below 50ft for another post:)

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#3,193 ·
Vendee Globe



No:)

I have translated from the French since this seems not to be in the English pages:

"How these gates work is not rocket science. A gate is a segment of points on the same latitude, longitude between two defined points. The spacing between these two longitudes points is about 400 miles, or a day and a half of navigation. The course consists of four to six or seven gates, spaced from 800 to 2000 miles. To validate their passage, they have just to be North at least one point of latitude located on the segment that constitutes the gate. It is therefore possible to cross the gate from South to North or simply to stay North of it"

See my last post on the Vendee to understand what they are trying to do and why.

http://tracking2012.vendeeglobe.org/en/

Since then he have a new position on the race tracker and we can see that as I had previewed Stamm passed Jean-Pierre and is going up to the gate like a rocket. Of course before he arrives there he is going to stay almost without no wind:D

Very interesting this strategic play.

By the way do you have noticed that they have improved the information on the tracker? Now we have:

The boat speed over one hour, the speed made good over an hour, the average speed on the last 24 hours, the speed made good on that time and the distance covered. Isn't that great?

For improving things and permit us to understand better their options I only wished for a longer weather preview, one over 72 hours at least. That should not be too difficult and I don't understand why they don't have it :(

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,194 · (Edited)
ARC news

This one is FANTASTIC: remember talking about that Pogo 50 that is making a hell of a race, a performance cruising boat beating racing boats and not far away of incredibly expensive boats like a Swan 80 and the Jp 52 (with canting keel)?

Well, first impressive new: the crew is composed by only 5 guys and that in a 50ft boat that is racing is not many. I bet that all other boats around have a much bigger crew.

Second impressive new: Besides the owner and two second rate short crew racers, the other two are the owner of Pogo shipyard (Structures) and the boat designer, Pascal Conq. How coll is that:cool:

Other curious new: There are lot's of "cheap" mass production boats crossing the Atlantic. Many Bavarias, Benetau, Jeanneau, Dufour, Hanse and many others but the two boats that retired from the race, one with a broken mast and other whose rudder just fell off are both very exclusive and expensive boats and the one that lost the rudder is reputably one of the best Blue water cruisers around for the ones that like it strong and slow: the 39 stell Motiva 39.

The one that lost the mast is a very expensive custom build Farr 585CC , a blue-water fast cruising boat.

Well, how about that?:D I know that can be just bad luck and good luck, depending on the cases but it is curious.

An finally let me talk about another boat that is making a great race on the racing division, a race cruiser that is letting well behind boats like a Swan 45, Swan 48 and other bigger boats, I am talking about the Grand Soleil 43, a great performance cruiser and one that I have considered having for a long time. Have a look:



 
#3,195 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

UAU!!! Stamm the Swiss is leading, there should leave a lot of French pissed:D

Great race. I had said some days ago that it seemed to me that Stamm was in the better course but from there to leading UAU!!! what a great sailing and rooting. And right now he is doing a smart move: As I have said yesterday, they will find very weak winds crossing that gate so he is sailing parallel to that gate retarding the moment to pass it and he is going to take it perpendicularly, making the way longer but getting the better wind angle with those weak winds making sure his boat is "making" wind.

But attention, they give Armel at 138Nm from the leader (Stamm) and that is just rubbish. I still think that Armel has done the right thing and will get the lead again in two days. He has strong wind all the way and all the others will be stuck in that high near the gate and will lose a lot of time to get out of there and get decent winds again.

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

Great racing, very good strategic play!!!;)

quote Stamm:

The wind is definitely slowing down and we'll only know where everybody is standing once we've sailed through the gate and we're back in the wind again. In the meantime, it feels great…

Leading the Vendée Globe in the Indian Ocean is huge. It's also a quieter time on board, with easier conditions.

When the boat's speed reaches twenty knots, which happens constantly when there's wind, conditions can be pretty difficult. I don't know what it's like for the other skippers but I'm sure it's the same. It's not a cruise ship we're sailing on so whatever the actual comfort, it's still quite extreme.

Last night I came across MACIF's AIS signal. Incredible… I think he was two miles behind me, which is crazy after two weeks in the race!


Incredible images of Dominique and Jean sailing together in the midlle of the big ocean:)

Jean is saying about Dominique: "a friend and a remarkable guy (a quality person)".

And I say to you guys that Dominique is incredible. He is 57 years old. How he can cope with that huge effort of sailing his boat solo in a racing pace for 3 months non stop is behind my comprehension. And not slow too, he is making a hell of a race. His boat is not a new one.

This guy makes me fell younger:D Cheers Dominique, Chapeau!!!!


SynerCiel, Mirabaud.. Et l'albatros por VendeeGlobeTV


Quand Mirabaud croise SynerCiel por VendeeGlobeTV

Mike at speed starting to catch bad weather.

Quote Mike:

Now we are reaching in horrendous seas left over from a gale last night.

As you can see (here) it is fast sailing and very, very uncomfortable.

The boat is occasionally taking off on surfs and leaning out at crazy angles, moving unpredictably.

It's definitely not my favourite point of sail.

We are making good progress but I can't quite get the height I want to try and escape from the high that is moving behind us.



Mike Golding in the South Indian Ocean por VendeeGlobeTV

Sory guys, I was waiting for the English translation of yesterday highlights but the only thing they had translated was the title:D

Regarding those first images I guess that I don't have to translate "Merde", that resumes what Tanguy is saying:D. Is autopilot disconnected and he went to a 90º capsize. Look at his face. There is fear there. That should have not been nice. It was a simple thing to repair (just the "pin" that went out of its place).


Day 27 highlights - Thursday, December 6, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV

edit: they get it translated.
 
#3,197 ·
Comments on posted designs



I cannot say that I like your designs. I see some good ideas and some nice curved lines (sometimes) but all designs show a huge freeboard and that makes for bulky boats that don't sit nicely on the water and offer a big windage.

Regarding the one you posted I don't like the hull design that seems old to me:



Strona g

The one from the 33 seems more modern:



But the boat has a very big freeboard:





I like more the overall shape of the cat, but again the freeboard is just hudge, particularly on the bow:





You mean the yacht is going to be built or will be built if someone commands one to you?

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,198 · (Edited)
European Yacht of the year - movie

You have to see this movie, it is long and it shows some very nice boats. I thought that this year the competition would not be so tight, but I guess that I was just not remembering all great boats that come to the market this year.

This video is only about two of the four categories: Luxury cruisers and Family cruisers. Well, both are family cruisers but ones are for very rich families the others for families that live well:D

The nominees are:

Luxury cruisers - Halberg Rassy 412; Amel 55; Italia 13.98; Discovery 57; Southerly 47.

Family cruisers - Hanse 415; Bavaria Vision 46, Delphia 31; RM 1260; Sun Odyssey 469.

The MOVIE with all those yachts being tested by Journalists from all the main European main sail magazines ( a lot of them):

Europas Yachten des Jahres - Teil 1 - Yacht TV - Segel Videos von Europas größtem Yacht Magazin

What is the boat that is going to be chosen? Well those guys have a big advantage, they will actually see the boats and sail them so I can only talk about design, and that is only a small part. They can not only access quality but actually see if it works;)

But I would say that even if the Halberg Rassy says pretty well (as I am sure he does), it is a pretty banal bot, lusury yes, but nothing new about it.



The Italia 13.98 brings something new, a classic looking boat with top performance sailing so it may well create a surprise here but I really don't know how the different members of the jury are going to value that.



I never like the Discovery line and my impression is that they are not great sailing boats. Maybe that's because I saw a stability curve of the first one on the line and was not impressed but that can have changed and I don't know much about this boat. The interior looks great but the boat seems a bit bulky.

Discovery Yachts // The Discovery 57 - the design of a new classic

Southerlies are great offshore boats with a great stability and the possibility to go to the beach (swinging ballasted keel). The Southerly 47 seems a nice one with great interiors. I guess it will depend on how well it sails.

Southerly 47 - Gallery

Amel are great yachts even if with a particular interior that I don't look too much for a boat with all that gloss. Well the Amel 64 was last year also nominated and lost to the Oyster 625. Maybe this year is the Amel year. Again it will depend on how well the boat sails.


AMEL 55 por CHANTIER-AMEL

Let's let the comments about the nominees on the Family cruisers class to other post. Meanwhile if someone want to join on the comments please post:).

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#3,200 · (Edited)
European boat of the year: Family cruiser

European boat of the year: Family cruiser

Family cruisers - Hanse 415; Bavaria Vision 46, Delphia 31; RM 1260; Sun Odyssey 469.

This is probably the more disputed category and the one that represent more boats and sales.

Hanse 415 - I did not saw the boat but I it seems that there is an improvement on interior design and eventually quality. The boat represents a very good compromise to the typical buyer of this type of boats, that represent after all the main market: A cruiser with a well designed interior, very functional, a big stability and a very well studied rigging that makes sailing very easy, even to a solo sailor. It is a strong candidate





The Bavaria Vision 46 is probably the strongest candidate. It not only sails well as it is a very innovative boat, a very good cruising boat that also presents a Bavaria visible improvement in design and making faith on the testers, also an improvement in the global quality and finish.



The RM 1260 is an improvement of the RM 1200 and as the 1200 was already a great boat, the 1260 is even better. But it is only an improvement not a breakthrough and is a more specialized boat, not pointed to the main crown but to the cruiser that voyages. Maybe because the boat was there but was not well known on the other markets out of France it stands some chances but I don't thing it stands so much chances has the Bavaria.

Guys understand that I am not looking at this on a personal perspective, If I was, I mean if I was to choose for me any of these boats I would choose this boat easily without any doubt. I have test sailed the previous model just because I was interested in the boat and it was the preferred by my wife, so I know that she would also pick this one;)



the Sun odyssey 469 I am sure it is a great boat but it just looks a bigger 409. Sure it is a great boat but nothing new or exiting about it.





The Delphia 31 is an outsider. It is a very interesting boat that appears to offer a lot for the money, has quality hardware on the deck and seems to have a nicely designed interior. I don't know the boat but I guess that it would have to sail very well and have a quality interior to stand any chance. I don't believe it but than I never been in the boat and much less have sailed it, so who knows?





 
#3,202 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

And here they are, at slow motion near that gate. Stamm is leading and making 2.6K while François is making 2.6k and jean-Pierre 4.1k and they will have a hell of 24 hours fighting to get a bit more speed on variable and weak winds. They have to cross the gate and then will dive South looking for wind but after passing the gate things are not going to be much better for many hours.

While they are in hell, Armel got out of it and is making 13.4k. Very soon will be doing a lot more. I think he was the one that played better but we will only know for sure in 24 hours. If so it will be a notable navigation feet. He was the only one to chose that option while the other four had chosen the other one.

Talking about four, Alex had played very well and its timing to the gate is better than the one from the others that had choose that option. That had been translated in a massive recovering one that is going to continue on the next yours. I think he is going to end up not very far from Jean-Pierre.

To give an idea, since the moment he dived South some days back he won 80Nm to the leader. I have said I did not understood what he was doing diving so much to the South. Now I understand and I have to say: Chapeau Alex:D

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

Yes, Alex is the man of the day, look at him charging at 25K:D


Alex Thomson at 25 knots / à 25 noeuds por VendeeGlobeTV


Day 28 highlights - Friday, December 7, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV

A small note to the three guys on the second group, Jean, Dominique and Mike, they are at about 570Nm from the leader but in two days they will have recovered a lot: They will have not that high center over the gate. For them it would be always at full blast. We will see how much they will recover but should be on the order of hundreds of miles.

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#3,203 · (Edited)
ARC - Vaquita, a class 40 wins!!!

Great Victory for the 40 class boat, beating the Swan 80 by about 20 hours (estimated).



At the tail end of a journey of more than 3,300 nautical males, Class 40 Vaquita has taken line honours in the Atlantic Rally for Cruisers (ARC) 2012, having sailed from Gran Canaria in just over twelve days; a truly magnificent performance for a 40 footer. Vaquita looked superb as she blasted across the finish line at 14 knots with the crew pushing the boat as hard as ever in front of the local and international media in Rodney Bay, Saint Lucia, today (07 December). The Austrian crew of six crossed the line at 10:22 local (14:22UTC) on 7 December 2012, giving them an elapsed time of 12 days, 1:37hours.

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Vaquita, skippered by Austrian Andreas Hanakamp, former Team Russia Volvo Ocean Race skipper and two time Olympic star, sailed an extreme northerly route from Gran Canaria, clocking speeds of up to 25 knots during the crossing. This is Andreas' third consecutive year racing in the ARC, each time favouring the northerly passage, and each time paying off.
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Vaquita has not only crossed the finish line first, but has done so in style, with the next arrival, Swan 80' Berenice approximately 20 hours behind. This does not mean that Vaquita is guaranteed to win overall on corrected time, as she holds the highest handicap in the RORC IRC Racing Division.

Sail-World.com : Atlantic Rally for Cruisers - Vaquita claims line honours
 
#3,204 ·
Vendee globe

Yes, I was tight and Armel is the big winner:D. Chapeau to him that had the courage to take alone the less obvious way to the gate (in what regards wind) and is now at speed (16.3K) with an open road ahead (and an even faster one) while the other three of the leader pack will have to wait more 6 hours to gain a comparable speed. Some of then are doing only 4/5k speed. Armel is already leading and will increase is advance big time on the next hours.

Chapeau also to Mike that has impressed me even more than Armel on this game and is now a member of the leading group.

As I have said the 3 ones on the second group were winning big time to everybody.On the last 24 hours they reduced their disadvantage to the leader in about 240Nm:eek: and even if they are not winning now over Armel they will continue to win big time over the leader pack on the next 10 hours or so.

It was mostly luck but even so, chapeau to Mike, Dominique and Jean. Luck is part of the story, but great sailing too, and those three are together on that particular race for a long time;)

Particularly this two (jean and Dominique) seam to have decided to go ensemble. That is the second time in two days that they are very close:


Jean et Dominique : toujours ensemble por VendeeGlobeTV

The highlights of the 4th week of racing:


Week 4 Highlights of the 2012-2013 Vendée Globe por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,205 · (Edited)
ARC- Racing divison / Fy 61

On the ARC race the highlight goes to that POGO 50, with the designer and builder both making part of the five members crew, that is in direct fight with the JP52 to the 4th place in real time (the second is a Swan 80 and the third will be a Fy61). The JP52 is not only an incredibly expensive boat as it has also a canting keel and that, if we take into consideration the swing keel of Pogo, should give it a big advantage, since both boats are very light and have very adequate type of hulls for a transat.

Amazingly the Pogo has recovered distance over the JP52 and they are now side by side going for the Finnish line.

Another incredible fight is between a small Grand Soleil 43, a production boat and an expensive, even if some years older, racing Farr 60ft design, the Carroll Marine 60. The Grand Soleil come charging from behind and managed to catch the 60ft. Will he manage to overtake the bigger boat? They are fighting probably for the 8th place in real time and I suspect that the GS43 is the only one that has a chance to take the first place in compensated time from Vaquita, the 40class racer that arrived 1th in real time.

But today I will focus in another boat with a very good performance and a boat that is not known by many, a great cruising boat a Felci design, the Fy 61 that is arriving third in real time.

Let's have a look:

























I have said many times that most of the boats I post here, even if I consider them great designs and very suitable to cover some market segments, are not boats that suit my sailing program or life style, or particular taste. This one would, I mean if I was really a rich guy:D

Ok, I like the interior division and the way the keel box is kept out of the way but I don't like the interior design. That would not constitute any problem for me since I would have liked to design my own interior and I am quite sure they would have not any problem with that since this is a semi-custom boat. I am living now on my 3th house designed by me and one of the things it pisses me is not having enough money to have a boat with my own interior design, so that would not have been a problem at all, but a real opportunity.

Regarding what I like on this Felci design, well, taking out the interior, all: It is obviously very fast even on a race that will not reveal all its potential (it is not like the Pogo 50 a boat designed specially with downwind sailing in mind), it is relatively narrow, I am sure it will have a very easy motion, its a a very powerful boat with a huge RM and certainly a big AVS. A very seaworthy boat that would show all its potentialities upwind with heavy weather.

That very good stability is obtained not with a huge ballast (that would be detrimental to performance) but by a very reasonable B/D ratio for a keel with all the ballast on a torpedo 33%. I mean this would be good for a boat with a 2.30m draft, it is HUGE for a boat with 4.00m draft like this one.

For a cruising boat a 4.00m draft does not makes sense so this one can lift the keel till having a very reasonable 2.00m draft and even with that draft it can sail safely, if needed, with reduced sail. When he goes offshore he just turns on the turbo and let that ballast go 2.00m more deep.

Of course, all this makes this boat a very expensive boat, but for the ones that can afford it, what a boat:D

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#3,206 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

Armel continues to win miles but Alex is getting me confused....again:D I hate when he does that and specially when is right in what is doing.

This time I understand what he is doing but it looks a risky move to me. He is going to do the opposite he had done last time.

He is trying to go on the shorter course and contrary to the others is not going to dive South to get more wind but for that he has to cross a zone with weak wind, after that as far as the weather information goes (36h) that's all good. I guess that all depends on the next 6 hours and the ones after the 36 that are given on the prevision. I hope he makes it. I like guys that don't follow the heard and Alex had done that two times in a row.;)

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

The highlights of the day:


Day 29 highlights - Saturday, December 8, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
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