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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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Vendee Globe

And yes, Alex got it right again and overtook Stamm:)


Alex Thomson's race highlights - Week 4 por VendeeGlobeTV

Brilliant race for him and Armel that continues to win on everybody. Fact is that there are now 5 on the top group. Stamm the last on that group is at only 135Nm from the Leader. Incredible race with huge strategic play;)

Drag race again!!!

Alex Thomson (GBR, HUGO BOSS, taped):
It was a bit of a slow night, I was expecting everything else, but now the wind has gone a bit more than forecast and it is quite fast, it is round to the right direction so that is good news. I now have a little more wind than expected. I think now it is a drag race from here, with the wind at about 230-240 degrees and blowing maybe 24-25kts for the next couple of days and we will all pretty much be reaching east to the next ice gate, it is just a straight line for us. The guys who are in the south will have the wind a bit more left and we have it a bit more forward.


Armel Le Cléac'h (FRA, Banque Populaire):
The choice I made paid off, but the gap with François isn't that big, it's still very close. I'm focused on the Amsterdam gate now, that's the next step. The wind was pretty strong this morning, and it's still quite favourable. The sea is rough and there's an albatross following the boat.


and that's why Stamm is losing time: problems on the main sail and the need to repair.:(


Bricolage sur Cheminées Poujoulat por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,209 · (Edited)
ARC: Smaller boats / Southerly 38

There is something that I have not seen commented regarding the ARC: Crisis or not, the boats are getting bigger and bigger and that's a thing that you can see overall Europe and that is reflected on the Market.

Certainly you have noticed that I have been posting a lot about boats over 45ft. That is simply because there are a lot of bigger boats coming to the market and not so many smaller boats.

Regarding this ARC edition anything smaller than 45ft is a small boat and boats with 40ft or less, that once were the majority, are today a small minority.

Curiously if we look to the boats position on the map we will see that the faster boats are the bigger boats, 50ft or more, but regarding the mid/last boats there are not a direct relation between size and position. I guess that means that many of the smaller boats sailors are just better sailors or that on the big boats there are a percentage that has a big boat without to know how properly take advantage of it.

It has been mentioned in others threads and I think it is a reality that nowadays, for many, the first boat is a boat bigger then 40ft and that probably has to do with so many big boats going so slowly notwithstanding a much bigger tankage and a much bigger motoring autonomy (cruisers can and use the engine when there is not wind on this Transat).

So, let's have a look at some of the boats smaller than 39ft and have a look at their performance:

The first two smaller boats are very different, one is a First 36.7, a well known performance cruiser with some years and the second one is a Southerly 38. This one comes as a surprise since it is not a performance cruiser but a small solid ballasted centerboarder offshore cruiser and a relatively heavy one.

To give an idea of the performance of these boats we have to just look at the boats that are nearby, behind or slightly ahead: Swan 45; Amel Maramu, Hanse 495; Open 60; GS 52, Jeanneau 57.

Those two are really making a great crossing and are certainly very well sailed. Substantially behind we will find four other "small" boats, not very far away between them, by this order:

Dufour 385, Dehler 36, Moody S38 and Hanse 325. These boats are surroumded by: Amel 54, Jeanneau 52.2, Lagoon 440, Hanse 461, Jeanneau 53, Oyster 53, Franccini 55, Oyster 54, Oceanis 45, Oyster 45, Amel 54, Northweind 60, Tayana 55, Malo 46, Jeanneau 54.

The Dufour 385 is a mass production cruiser and one not especially suited for bluewater cruising, the Dehler 36 is a good performance cruiser, the Moody 38 is an older boat, a good offshore cruiser and also an heavier boat, the Hanse 325 is a new Hanse, an inexpensive boat and one that most on this forum would say that is just a coastal boat without any offshore capability.

Well this year the ARC was one of the editions with stronger winds and worst seas, and there it is the little light cruiser, not properly sailing defensively:D, surrounded by 50 and 60ft boats, doing a fast Transat without apparently any problem.

From those, let's have a look at the two that are still in production, The Southerly 38 and the Hanse 325.

Let's start with the Southerly:

The Southerly weights 9,921 kg with a fixed ballast (on the bottom of the boat) of 2100kg and a swing keel with 1702kg. It is also a beamy boat (3.99) with a powerful and modern hull (two rudders) that generates enough RM and stability to carry a large spinnaker (81sqm) and a substantial sail area upwind, for a 38ft cruiser (73sqm).

It is amazing how a boat with these characteristics can be on this position. It is only possible because this had been a particularly windy Transat but off course, also because the boat is very well sailed and it is a great design (Sthephen Jones). Long gone the days were Southerlies were typical English boats, Ugly, Slow and well built:rolleyes:.

This one is not only strong but also beautiful and relatively fast. I would say that this is the only major brand that I know of that manages to have an in house designed interior that besides being of quality is also well designed.

This is a boat that I like very much but inevitably an expensive boat. If you have the money and need a small boat with a reduced draft and offshore capability, this one is a very good option. It will make any owner proud;).





























 
#3,210 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

Alex took another one:D This time it was Jean-Pierre. What a recovery!!!! You have to love that guy. He is the fastest on the fleet (3th now) and has also diminished the distance to the leader, Armel. On the last hour he has made an average speed over 22K. Drage race I am telling you!!!!:D

That's amazing that with so many French on the race, on the leading group of five, almost half are not French. That should put the French a bit worried:D

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking


Day 30 highlights - Sunday, December 9, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,211 ·
Re: Comments on posted designs

Yes, farm out production of these boats on request. It is also possible that the customer will arrange for the construction of the boat yard. I have the best specialists available ... "REGA YACHT" Babicz & Krolikowski of Polish.
Carrying out a boat for the ocean it's a pleasure;-)
Thank you for your interest.

Robert
 
#3,212 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

And Alex have lost this time some miles and two places. My first idea was that he had troubles and then I checked the millage for the last 24: 19.9K and the millage om the last hour: 19.4K....odd, everything seems ok.... then I checked jean-Pierre average on the last 24h: 21.5K:eek: and Stamm over 24h:20.7K.

DRAG RACE I tell you!!!!!:D

and they were not the faster, François, that has been the faster and is all over Armel, has done on the last 24h and average of 22.3K speed:eek: and a new 24 hour world record for solo sailing: 532Nm in 24h that is over 22K for a full day and night, sleeping and all:eek:

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

For the first time I heard Armel complaining that this crazy rhythm is too high and that they have still a long way to go. I guess that the strategy of this 5 is to bet on a drag race till there is only one surviving boat (or the others slow down) because I don't believe the boats (or they) can take this rhythm for much longer.

One of them was complaining that he could not stand up on the boat, he had to move on hands and feet, other was complaining he just managed to eat peanuts and energy bars and I wonder what is to try to have some rest on those conditions, having to have always a look at the boat and sails, not to mention the wild ride.

Look at Armel going and consider the François is going faster:eek:


Belle allure sur Banque Populaire por VendeeGlobeTV

Armel is starting to show concern about this mad drag race:

Armel Le Cléac'h (FRA, Banque Populaire):

I think I'm doing great in terms of performance. I can see MACIF on my AIS. My average speed is about 20 knots but he's obviously been faster. Congratulations on his 24-hour record! 23 knots of average speed is really something, maybe he's taken a bit more risks. Same for the skippers right behind, but so far they're doing ok. I'm focusing on my own race, not the others', and there's still a long way to go anyway.

Christopher is right, life on board in such a context is not really easy. The deck is drenched, there's humidity everywhere, even inside, because you're very wet when you get in. It's pretty cold, too. And this is all quite stressful, even though the sea isn't too rough. It's difficult to sleep, you always want to keep an eye on things.


....
 
#3,213 ·
The results of the ARC does not say much about the performace of the boats, most crews are cruisers, not racers, family crews that will enjoy the journey, not to compete, with heavily loaded boats.
Sailing between Thailand and Europe with a crew of Chilean racers we never use the autopilot and there was always someone who was tuning the sails, so we kept close to the maximum speed that the boat could give. We went two or three days after a flotilla of cruisers with which we share in Thailand, Sri Lanka and Maldives and arrived a day ahead of them. We kept the spinnaker all the time, even did spinnaker changes as the wind, while the cruisers reduced sails at night.
 
#3,214 · (Edited)
Yes I agree with you partially. First there are two ARC, one that is a real race (racing division ) the other that is just cruising with some racing in mind (at least for some) because there is also a classification. Most cruisers don't like to be overtaken more even if there are a classification and all boats from the cruising division are loaded.

They are all cruisers and they are going with the boat to the Caribbean and will cruise there for a considerable time. Regarding loading it is to be expected that a smaller boat would be much more loaded in a long voyage (regarding max load) than a bigger boat, for instance, a 38ft regarding a 55fter.

Here, like in any sailing situation, even racing, the quality of a crew is a very important factor but even with the best crew a slow boat will not go fast.

The point I was making is that a small cruising boat well sailed (and not raced, otherwise they would be on the racing division and I don't know if you noticed that I had separated the posts about each) can go as faster as many not so well sailed much bigger boats, but not all, it has to be a good small sailing boat. It happens that most modern production boats are good and fast boats sailing with trade winds.

Even so the performance of that Southerly 38 is only possible because it is a very well designed sailboat. It is an heavy boat with a swing keel, both things detrimental for performance. Only a very well designed hull permits the boat to be where it is, regarding all other boats, and a good crew too;).

Do you looked where the boat is? It is called Little Pea. First on the side turn out the boats from the racing division that had sailed out two days earlier.

World Cruising Club - Fleet Viewer

The performance Is so unbelievable that I had to check if the boat had sailed out at the same time as all the other cruisers...and this is not even the type of boat a cruiser that likes to race will buy.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,215 ·
Fine:ÂŁ9,381 + ÂŁ4,125

Ponds not Euros:eek:. That is a fine bigger than the value of some boats:)
I had talked already that Marc Guillemot was guilty of disrespecting the colregs ( Dover Strait Traffic Separation Scheme (TSS) here is the fine and the full story:

Today, the Maritime and Coastguard Agency issued the following statement following the prosecution of French sailor Marc Guillemot:

'Marc Guillemot, skipper of the French racing yacht Safran, has today appeared at Southampton Magistrates Court and fined ÂŁ9,381 and awarded costs against him of ÂŁ4,125 for travelling the wrong way in busy traffic lanes off the Kent coast.

'On 6 June 2012 the Safran left Lizard Point in Cornwall, in an attempt to beat its own previous record set in 2011 for the fastest sail around the United Kingdom and Ireland.

'At 11.43pm on 6 June, the Safran was seen by Dover Coastguard travelling in a North Easterly direction in the South West lane of the Dover Strait Traffic Separation Scheme (TSS). On the 7 June at 4am, the yacht failed to proceed in the appropriate traffic lane in the Sunk traffic separation scheme.

'During its passage, several merchant ships altered course to avoid a collision with the yacht. Dover Coastguard made a number of attempts to contact the yacht with no response. Eventually the French Coastguard got in touch and pointed out that the vessel was travelling the wrong way in the TSS. Guillemot replied saying he was trying to break the record for sailing around the UK and Ireland and would not alter course.

'In total, the Safran travelled 28 nautical miles in the wrong direction in both separation schemes. This was in breach of Rule 10(b)(i) of the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea 1972.

'In passing sentence the Chairman of the Magistrates, Mr. John Johnson said:

"We have heard this afternoon that Mr. Guillemot is an experienced and confident yachtsman. However, Mr. Guillemot did travel the wrong way in the shipping lanes. For the offence on the 6th June, we fine ÂŁ13,000 reduced by your early guilty plea to ÂŁ8,700. For the offence on the 7th June, a ÂŁ1,000 fine reduced to ÂŁ666."

'Kaimes Beasley, Channel Navigation Information Service Manager at Dover Coastguard, stated:

'"The Strait of Dover Traffic Separation Scheme is one of the busiest in the world. Mr Guillemot was reckless in his navigation during the hours of darkness not only in the Dover Strait TSS, but also in the Sunk Traffic Separation Scheme. He put his crew and other vessels at significant risk in order to try to beat his previous record"'


Well, one for the safety on the sea. I guess thatknow sailors, racing or not are going to pay more attention to the traffic rules.
 
#3,216 ·
Hanse 325/ Jeanneau 33i

Here it is the promised report on the Hanse 325 the boat that is making an amazing ARC. We have already talked about the boat that was the first Hanse that had a better designed interior, less ikea even if I I don't really like the plastic decor on the nav station.

The boat is relatively heavy with 5200kg an high efficient bulbed keel with a draft of 1.83m and a ballast ratio of 28%. It has 3.30m of beam and a modern hull designed by Judel/Vrolijk and a sail area upwind of 51.35 m.

It is a good boat but probably not the one that I like more on this class.

I would prefer the Marc Lombard designed Jeanneau 33i, a bit bigger (9.74 to 9.55m) weighting a bit less (4645kg) with a slightly bigger draft (1.9m) , a similar bulbed keel and most of all a much bigger B/D ratio (32%).

The beam is similar (3.34m) and that with the superior draft and the much bigger B/D will make the jeanneau a more powerful boat with a better stability. The sail area is similar (51.5sqm) so the Jeanneau will be a faster boat with a better stability.

Both the Jeanneau and the Hanse are capable boats, boats that pass therequirements for certification on EC offshore category even if not by a big margin. These boats with an experienced sailor and in the right season can safely make ocean passages even if they were not designed with that in mind.

However they are very good and safe coastal cruisers and can sail with relatively rough conditions.

Let me point out that this is a very different boat than the slightly smaller (but very different) jeanneau 30i that was tested against those older boats by a German magazine (video some posts back). I don't think those oldies would have done better than the 33i, even in adverse conditions, like the ones on that test. The jeanneau 30i has a smaller draft and only 24% of B/D. I don't understand that big differences since it is also a Marc Lombard design. The 30i is just a Coastal cruiser, contrary to the 33i that has an offshore capacity.

Movies from both boats:








20/04/2009 - Essai du Sun Odyssey 33i... por Voilesnews
 
#3,217 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

Absolutely incredible, Armel and François are just racing like if they were finishing the race at sprint not as if they were at the middle of it. I don't understand how they can keep with this rhythm. That is absolutely insane I don't remember anything like this. They are going so fast that they have already passed the next gate. I guess that on the last two days they have made more than 1000Nm:eek:

And so Armel comes back. Anything you can do François I can do too. Well, almost. Le Cléac'h the Banque Populaire skipper is back on top of the standings this evening after making a 530 miles 24 hours run up to 1800hrs UTC this evening. And since the afternoon rankings Le Cleac'h has done ten miles more than François Gabart to retake the lead by a matter of 8.5 miles.

A match race is developing then towards the Amsterdam gate and this evening, with the speedos still red hot, it is Armel who has bounced back, also retaining the preferred berth to windward in the strong NW'ly.

They cannot post fast enough to cover the race. Since the afternoon François managed to go even faster and overtook Armel again:D

Crazy stuff!!!!! : "There is about 35 to 40K wind, I am doing between 22 and 28K. Not much sail out. I try to cool it down but the boat goes faster and faster" says François. Take a look and see how the boat shakes and vibrates. How the hell can day sleep or rest on that thing? And the guy seems fresh as if he was just starting a new day after a good night's rest. These guys are just incredible!!!!

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking


Day 31 highlights - Monday, December 10, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,219 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

And those two continue their mad sprint they are practically side by side, now is Armel that is leading with only 1.2Nm advantage. It seems nobody else can sustain that mad rhythm and slowly these two are isolating themselves at the head of the race.

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

I had a good laugh with this statement made by François:

"My current speed is 19-22 knots, it's moving a lot on board, there are violent shocks sometimes, but you get used to them. Same for the speed, you get used to what it feels like on board at high speed and after that, you stop noticing, you can really get used to everything…"

Si I guess he is replyng to ny question about how can they live like that:D

François Gabart (FRA, MACIF):
These are amazing moments, the boat is gliding so fast and effortlessly, I'm so happy with these past two days, the conditions are just great.

Nothing is easy, though, the Vendée Globe is one of the hardest events in the world, there are technical problems and dangerous situations. But in the middle of those, you have magical moments, like what I'm experiencing right now. There have been difficult times, too, in the Crozet gate area, you're alone on the boat to change and set sails, you're exhausted, the conditions are bad and they keep changing and still, you just don't progress that much so it's very frustrating.


Armel Le Cléac'h (FRA, Banque Populaire):
François and I have seen seeing each other on our AIS for 24 hours now. It's a nice way to check my speed is good enough!

Winds will get stronger and stronger throughout the day, I'll need to manoeuvre and get ready for the depression and tomorrow's conditions in order to be as efficient as possible. There's an intense fight for the lead of the race, even though we may sound quiet and relaxed on the phone. But our daily life isn't that easy, you know.

Our routes are quite similar, with François, I've actually seen François this morning as his boat wasn't far from mine. But you can't stay outside too long because of the water splashing all over the place.

So far we've been quite fast compared to four years ago, but then the icebergs and the ice gates have changed a lot of things so it's difficult to say what the winner's final time will be.


Even Frank Cammas (recently elected French yachtsman of the year) is really impressed with those two guys and he is not one easily impressed:

Franck Cammas (FRA, skipper):

I'm in awe of what the Vendée Globe skippers have been achieving lately, their speed is amazing, it's an incredible performance for solo sailors. In 15 years, the monohulls have caught up with the multihulls from the 1990's in terms of performance. I just can't believe François Gabart actually said he had never slept as well as he did yesterday! He's unique. .

.....
On a side line, Sam Davis had made under jury rig her way to Sables d' Olonne...She had 15 000 people waiting for her:) and 60 boats to escort her on the water....What can I say...I bet some were sailors bit it seems most were just common people, lots of kids and women too, all wanting to say : We love you Sam, better luck on the next time:cool:

 
#3,222 · (Edited)
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My respect by Alex Thompson is increased again and it was already a big one. His boat had hit badly some debris at over 20K and one rudder was badly damaged. He had done a very complicated repair in a record time and without losing much time: Chapeau!!!!!!:cool:

"After the toughest 24 hours of his Vendée Globe so far, required to make a vital repair to his rudder mechanism on Hugo Boss after hitting a floating object during Sunday night, Alex Thomson (GBR) has been losing no time in getting right back into the race, closing fast again on Bernard Stamm this afternoon to challenge the Swiss skipper for fourth place.

The British skipper's team confirmed today that the repair to the rudder tie bar had taken around fifteen hours in total. Although he had already made the same type of composite repair in the Atlantic to rectify a similar problem which had afflicted the opposite rudder, this time the work was more complicated and had to be completed in much more testing weather and sea conditions. The accident has damaged one of his hydrogenerators beyond repair....

Now relying on a limited supply of diesel and the one remaining hydrogenerator, Thomson will be in very strict energy saving mode - running what his team call 'dark mode' - which means very reduced communication with the outside world."


Stamm had also to slow down due to a smaller but more painful problem:D

"Bernard Stamm it has been self-dentistry which has been the new challenge for the Brittany based Swiss racer.

Stamm broke one of his molars whilst eating and, under careful instruction, had to file and fill the tooth himself with a temporary dressing, a painful and painstaking operation."


Doing that with the boat at speed (I bet he did not stop;)) should have been complicated....and painful:rolleyes:

On the head of the race, a Drag race over the same course, François is finally going away from Armel. I Don't know if François can be faster that Armel or is just Armel that considered that going at that Rhythm was just madness and that they would end up with broken boats? Probably Armel has some small problem on the boat. On the last hour the difference in speed was considerable (2.2K) taking into consideration that they are on the same course and not far away. It seems to me not a normal difference if everything was alright with Armel and his boat.

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking


Day 32 highlights - Tuesday, December 11, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,223 · (Edited)
New boats: Premier 45

Take a look at this babie:















This boat looks so beautiful that one wonders if this is not going to be one of those very nice designs that never see the light of the day. The Project was announced some years ago and I thought that it was going to be the case.

I was wrong. They say the boat is going to be presented in Dusseldorf. Uau!!!!, I am not going to miss this one;)

The boat is not only beautiful as also its specifications are incredibly good in what concerns a seaworthy and incredibly powerful boat, one that uses a lifting torpedo keel that allows those performance while permitting a reasonable draft for cruising.

This is a Botin Carkeek & Partners 45ft design, the boat is made with carbon using infusion with mast and boom in carbon. It can have a variable draft (1.75 to 2.75 meters). Weight is only 8.0 tons, and almost half of it is on the ballast. It is a moderately beamed boat, much on the line of Italian performance boats.

SPECIFICATIONS
LOA 13.72 m
LWL 12.94 m
Bmax 4.15 m
Displacement - Lightship 8000 kgs
Draft (up/dwn) 1.75/2.75 m
Upwind Sail Area 122.1 m2
Downwind Sail Area 259.8 m2

This is not one of those adventure projects that are made by some very small and amateurish companies that make a prototype and die. This boat is being built by Premier Composite Technologies a big company specialized on top composite technologies in several sectors and with a lot of naval experience. They build for designers like Farr, Botin-Carkeek, Judel-Vrolijk, Jason Ker and Mark Mills. they have built the Landmark 43, the Ker 53, the JV40, the Farr 11's and the Farr400. Maybe the reason that allows them to offer this boat to a very interesting price, about 500 000 Euros, is possibly related with the use of a big industrialized set up in what regards composites.

They say about the boat:

Premier Composite Technologies flagship model, the Premier 45, is a fast, high performance, short handed cruiser.

Designed by Botin-Carkeek, designers of the Team New Zealand TP52, the Premier 45 is built for speed with a carbon fibre and foam cored hull. Featuring a lifting keel and a modern, stylish - yet comfortable - interior, the Premier 45 is the ultimate cruising racer.

Generous upwind and downwind sail area provide the horsepower for class leading performance whilst low displacement and wetted surface area ensure the Premier 45 is easily driven whatever the conditions. The hull design has been developed to excel in downwind conditions and maintain stable handling in waves when further offshore. Carefully optimized foil designs mean the Premier 45 tacks swiftly and maintains excellent low speed manoeuvrability during the pre-start.

Premier Composite Technologies has succeeded in combining a true racing pedigree with all the practicalities required for a great short handed cruising yacht.


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#3,438 ·
Dusseldorf's most impressive boat:

Ok, there was there some big boats, big Oysters and a big and nicer Contest but the boat that really impressed me was this one:

Take a look at this babie:















This boat looks so beautiful that one wonders if this is not going to be one of those very nice designs that never see the light of the day. The Project was announced some years ago and I thought that it was going to be the case.

I was wrong. They say the boat is going to be presented in Dusseldorf. Uau!!!!, I am not going to miss this one;)

The boat is not only beautiful as also its specifications are incredibly good in what concerns a seaworthy and incredibly powerful boat, one that uses a lifting torpedo keel that allows those performance while permitting a reasonable draft for cruising.

This is a Botin Carkeek & Partners 45ft design, the boat is made with carbon using infusion with mast and boom in carbon. It can have a variable draft (1.75 to 2.75 meters). Weight is only 8.0 tons, and almost half of it is on the ballast. It is a moderately beamed boat, much on the line of Italian performance boats.

SPECIFICATIONS
LOA 13.72 m
LWL 12.94 m
Bmax 4.15 m
Displacement - Lightship 8000 kgs
Draft (up/dwn) 1.75/2.75 m
Upwind Sail Area 122.1 m2
Downwind Sail Area 259.8 m2

This is not one of those adventure projects that are made by some very small and amateurish companies that make a prototype and die. This boat is being built by Premier Composite Technologies a big company specialized on top composite technologies in several sectors and with a lot of naval experience. They build for designers like Farr, Botin-Carkeek, Judel-Vrolijk, Jason Ker and Mark Mills. they have built the Landmark 43, the Ker 53, the JV40, the Farr 11's and the Farr400. Maybe the reason that allows them to offer this boat to a very interesting price, about 500 000 Euros, is possibly related with the use of a big industrialized set up in what regards composites.

They say about the boat:

Premier Composite Technologies flagship model, the Premier 45, is a fast, high performance, short handed cruiser.

Designed by Botin-Carkeek, designers of the Team New Zealand TP52, the Premier 45 is built for speed with a carbon fibre and foam cored hull. Featuring a lifting keel and a modern, stylish - yet comfortable - interior, the Premier 45 is the ultimate cruising racer.

Generous upwind and downwind sail area provide the horsepower for class leading performance whilst low displacement and wetted surface area ensure the Premier 45 is easily driven whatever the conditions. The hull design has been developed to excel in downwind conditions and maintain stable handling in waves when further offshore. Carefully optimized foil designs mean the Premier 45 tacks swiftly and maintains excellent low speed manoeuvrability during the pre-start.

Premier Composite Technologies has succeeded in combining a true racing pedigree with all the practicalities required for a great short handed cruising yacht.


....
45ft and the same weight as my 41, that is not heavy, well, its just great but its was not only that but a good finish and an interior that really permits cruising, in fact a nice one even if that huge saloon, with good holdings on the cabin top has a galley where it would be impossible to work on with the boat on the wrong tack. Well, you can always change tack for cooking:D

Anyway the boat has a lifting keel, very well integrated on the boat and a draft with the keel up of only 1.75m. It as also a storage adequate for cruising including tankage, Howw!!! That would be like a sea autocaravan that in fact is a Ferrari:D.

Just beautiful, I would like very much to get a ride on that boat that certainly has an awesome pointing ability and one that will make going against the wind almost as fast as the speed many cruisers are able to do downwind, I don't mean fast ones, just old ones;)

Some pictures of the boat at the boatshow:





 
#3,224 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

After all it seems Armel has not any problem. He have recovered and lost some distance over François maintaining about a 12Nm distance to François. Jean Pierre is also not losing miles maintaining the distance (80Nm). They are trying not to get caught by a high pressure center. Maybe François and Armel can make it.

I doubt Jean-Pierre can make it and if so he will lose many miles. Stamm that has fighting with a lot of problems will be screwed. He will not be able to escape to the low wind and Alex, having lost a lot of time repairing the rudder, is playing masterfully going North to surround the high pressure center and be sure he gets wind all the way.

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Tracking

Stamm, fourth at 191 miles behind the leader, is in light winds, heavy rain and has been dealing with a set of repairs which have sapped his energy and tested his fortitude, but he has still held a pace with the leaders. Contacted this evening by Vendée Globe Radio with Pierre Louis Castelli, Stamm revealed he has been making repairs for several days. He has been deprived of the use of his coffee grinder winch, he has had to make a substantial sail repair and is trying to fix a failed hydrognerator.

The boat is quite fast, even though she could be even faster. If I had less technical issues to deal with, I could focus on sailing. But I can't, so it's frustrating.....

And in the light of these accumulated setbacks, Stamm continues to do a good job of staying with the lead group.



Day 33 highlights - Wednesday, December 12, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,227 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

Dam! I start to understand this stuff:). I was right about the last prevision: Jean-Pierre was not able to escape completely to the weak winds, and lost 100NM to the two leading boats in some hours. Stamm was effectively screwed and Alex had taken the right option and even so is losing a lot of time.

Stamm lost 300Nm in 24 hours:eek: and had ended up having to take the same option as Alex (sailing North of the High). Alex had took that option first and has gained 22Nm to Stamm (and overtook him) but lost 200Nm to the leaders.

I guess that Jean-Pierre will still lose some miles to the two in the front and then will be able to maintain that difference in about 200Nm.

It seems that the leading pack will be now a trio, with two of them in close battle for the first place.

Regarding the occasion where Gabart was winning over Armel with a speed difference that was incomprehensible to me, Michel Desjoyeaux, two times winner of this race the (" the teacher" has is called among the other racers) and François mentor had come to shed some light over it on an interview:

And what is the difference between Armel and Francois?

To me there is no surprise what is happening. I know what they do and they way they sail and race. They are just playing what they love to do, how they love to do it.

Francois has a secret weapon?

I know why Francois is so fast. He has a sail ( blast reacher) which is an improvement of what I had four years ago. We are sure now that Armel does not have the same sail. It works on the angles that he had when he broke the record, so around 120 degrees with around 35-40knots of wind, with ideal conditions of swell and sea.

Three days ago we were at the Soiree du Champions with the French Federation and they called François live during the ceremony and he said "It is OK, the wind has dropped a little, 30-35kts and I have been sleeping a lot.

And the whole theatre was silent. They could not believe it. They thought he was joking, but I am sure it's right because in those conditions you have nothing else to do. And you have to because when it drops and you need bigger sails then you have much more work to do, you have to be on the deck and be ready to drive the boat and be ready to manoeuvre
.

Funny these guys that sleep a lot with the boat on 30/35K wind surfing at over 20K, sometines 30K:D.

This tells also what these boats are able to do. Another racer in what seemed to be very demanding circumstances, said something like this (while the water was passing over his head and the boat was doing over 20k) you have just to adjust the boat for the circumstances and the boat does the rest.

No wonder this kind of boats to be the major hull influence on modern designed cruisers;).


Day 34 highlights - Thursday, December 13, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,230 · (Edited)
European Boat of the year 2013 - Special class boats

Finally the much waited (at least by me) second part of that video about the 2013 European boat of the year regarding the three last classes, Performance cruisers, Multihull cruisers and Special category boats.

MOVIE:

Europas Yachten des Jahres

There are an incredibly high number of very good boats among the nominees and the choice will be very hard. Starting with the easiest category, especially now that the A27 had to retire from the competition (impossibility of having the boat available for testing on the location due to financial problems), the Special boat category:

Special boat category: J70, Bavaria B one and Seascape 27.

Three great boats, the J70, a top performance boat but considerable more expensive than the Bavaria. The difference in performance is not that big and with the difference in price you would buy the car to pull the boat. It will be hard to choice between the two. But I Think the winner would be the Seascape 27. It is not only a great sailing boat with incredible performances as it will also permits weekend cruising, swinging keel and all. An innovative concept by one of the most brilliant NA from the new generation (for many years a solo racer), Sam Manuard. Has he says on the movie, a sailboat should be funny to sail and hassle free. A lot of fun and boat for the money it's what I say;).

Let's have a better look on these looking at some movies







We leave for other posts the two remaining categories: Performance cruisers and Multihull cruisers.
 
#3,231 · (Edited)
Vendee Globe

Too bad:(Jean-Pierre, for very little lost the ride on the weather system. Was not caught by weak winds but seems not able to leave the 10k zone while Armand and François are well inside the over 25K winds. The result is that now the leader pack is reduced to two, François and Armel that slowly but inexorably is losing miles (30 till know) to François.

Jean-Pierre is already at 362Nm and cannot do nothing except lose more till he can get a weather pattern that favors him, and now is quite the opposite.

Alex did not make it and miss not for much his ride and got caught on the high, as well as Stamm. It seems to me that Stamm is playing better now than Alex but both are in a very difficult situation, much worse than Jean-Pierre and with a big high pressure center right ahead. They are already at over 550Nm from François and will be at much more tomorrow.

Vendée Globe 2012-2013 - Cartographie

Someone have already baptized the two lone riders:D:

"The records seem set to keep tumbling as Sundance and Butch chase each other around the world as if they were match-racing in an Olympics. The leader, Francois Gabart (Macif) is just 30 miles ahead of Armel Le Cléac'h (Banque Populaire), but with only around 50 miles to the longitude of Cape Leeuwin, on the southwest tip of Australia, it will surely be 29-year-old Gabart, who takes the record passage to the Cape, sometime before midnight.

The front two continue to extend away as Gabart cooly anticipated and those now detached in different weather systems feared. Gabart was making nearly 20 knots in the last four hours, Le Cléac'h just over 18 and those chasing them a far more sedate 10-13 knots.

Gabart's time to Cape Leeuwin will eclipse another record of Vincent Riou, the 2004-05 winner of the Vendée Globe, who was knocked out of the race after an unfortunate collision with a harbour buoy 500 miles from the coast of Brazil.

The 35-year-old Le Cléac'h broke Riou's 2004-05 record to the Cape of Good Hope by just over a day and after their incredible speeds across the Indian Ocean, Gabart will be more than two days inside Riou's record to Cape Leeuwin of 36 days, 12 hours and 48 minutes."


Matthew Pryor


Day 35 highlights - Friday, December 14, 2012 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#3,233 · (Edited)
European boat of the year: Performance cruisers:

Let's then see the nominees that interest most viewers of this thread, the performance cruisers:

MOVIE:

Europas Yachten des Jahres

This year was a great crop, specially if we consider performance cruisers. So many and so good that they had to pass one to the Luxury cruisers were he is competing with other more conventional luxury boats:D.

This year's nominees are:

Grand Soleil 39; Dufour 36 performance; Mc34 Patton, Sly 38 and Xp-50.

Well on this category it will be impossible to say who has more chances.

The grand Soleil 39 would be a major favorite for me but the British tester raised some doubts about the steering to be much race like, so I guess that if it is chosen it will be against his opinion. But I have read great reports about the boat and everybody else seems to love it, so I am very curious about the global opinion on this one. This boat has a great cruising interior and it is an innovative boat that started an all new design trend on Grand Soleil boats and marks also the arrival of Claudio Maleto has the new GS NA.





This is an outsider. It is one of those new performance boats made by a small but enthusiastic French small shipyard and it is much a semi custom boat with racing has a good part of its sailing program but also able to cruise in a lot more spartan conditions than the Grand Soleil. It is a Marc Lombard design and I have heard that the boat is a rocket.

Marsaudon Composites - Lorient - MC34 PATTON

On the Yacht movie, on top of this post the boat the boat seems to sail exceptionally well. Here a movie with almost no wind and the boat gliding softly, on conditions most cruisers would be dead on the water:



On the movie also the A27, a boat that was nominated but that by financial problems could not be tested (they were not be able to deliver a boat on the location).

Then the sly 38, with great specifications and absolutely beautiful, inside and outside. If the boat sails as well as it looks, I would chose this one as one of the favorites. It is a great looking design by a quite unknown Studio Lestuzzi. Let's hope the sailing qualities to be in accordance with the specifications and the looks :)



The Dufour 36 performance is a nice boat even if I find it a bit heavy. I don't think that it has much chances, or maybe the boat sails better than what I suspect and in that case it can be a contender. It has a nice interior but not really anything new or very exiting.





And finally the Xp 50. I confess I am partial about this one. I agree that it has nothing new regarding the other boats on the Xp series, like the XP44, but the boat seems absolutely perfect, I mean it is a very fast cruiser with an huge potential, it is easy to sail solo it is beautiful and has a great cruising interior. What would someone wish for more? Between this one and the Sly, well.... they have much more information and they will sail the boats. May the better win, and I bet they will have a big difficulty in choosing the best among all these great boats:D









 
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