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3 Weeks Ago 02:23 PM
Pendragon35
Re: Looking at a Alberg 35

I'm Jim, my Alberg 35 is Pendragon. I believe she is a 1965 boat but I don't have a hull number and I've never been able to find anything that tells me how to certainly identify it. It's not on the boat title papers.

Pendragon was previously owned by James Schnittker, who kept her in Baltimore, at Anchorage Marina. We bought the slip with the boat, so she's staying there. Apparently a previous owner had her in Chicago, because that's the city on her stern.

Original wooden boom which I find a pain...soooo heavy. Slab reefing, roller furling 130% jib. Yanmar 3g30 diesel. Learning about the diesel has been a big part of the last few months (we bought her in July, 2014).

We have the "traditional" lay out: settees on both sides in the main cabin, icebox starboard, galley port. A previous owner built a beautiful chart table between the galley and the port settee. There is no hot water, which was apparently originally standard. We haven't really tried the shower other than to turn it on, make a mess, and say "ok, that works."

I love sailing her and although I'm still mastering the mystery of backing her out of the slip and getting her back, she sails like a dream. Fast isn't always the goal. Fun is.
01-02-2013 05:07 PM
smurphny
Re: Looking at a Alberg 35

Mine's the same way. There was what looked like the remnants of a shower sump pump down there but it's so inaccessible that it's just not a good place for one there under the shower base. Mine is piped w/ 1-1/2" right to the bilge next to the bilge pump. Works fine. If there were a bunch of people using it on a regular basis, it would probably need some sort of screen.
01-02-2013 03:49 PM
L124C
Re: Looking at a Alberg 35

Noticed that the shower drain on the boat in the OP simply terminates under the shower pan as the photo shows. In the boats drawings, I see that it is supposed to drain to a sump. I guess that as shown in the picture, the water simply runs around the water storage tank, to the bilge.
I assume the seller was not using the shower, especially given the fact he has not seen fit to even install a auto bilge pump in the boat!
In any case, were did the original sump drain, and is it necessary?
12-10-2012 12:12 AM
smurphny
Re: Looking at a Alberg 35

There is room for a much larger engine but the old engine mounts need to be cut away and new, wider mounts glassed in. It's a pretty big job. That's probably why they went with a smaller engine. Kinda like the tail wagging the dog
12-09-2012 10:05 PM
brob76
Re: Looking at a Alberg 35

The 27 would definitely fit. That's the same engine I have in Auriga. Beta and Universal both use the Kubota D1005. I have plenty of space in the engine room to work. From the picture it looks like they kept the original engine beds and put some aluminum bar to accommodate the extra width of the mounts. It would have been much better to cut out the engine beds and glass in new beds the proper width. Looks like the aluminum is lag bolted to the engine beds which is not a good idea either. Would have been better to through-bolt steel angle or something of the sort. I doubt shaft length was an issue as someone suggested on the diesel forum. Looks like there is room to move the mounts fore or aft on those aluminum plates. That was probably the largest engine they could get on those original beds. I've seen an A35 with a 35 hp engine so engine room space is not the issue.
12-09-2012 06:32 PM
L124C
Story of my life...It's too big!

Asked the seller why he went with a 20hp motor. He replied that he bought a 27 but it "wouldn't fit in the hull" so they went with the 20. Hard to believe that with all this space (gotta love the access!) they couldn't make a 27 fit.
He claims 20hp is plenty, especially since it's a diesel (there is that diesel vs. gas hp thing again). Yet, he also said he didn't think he was using the extra hp with the A4 anyway. Not that it matters, she's got 20hp and that's that. But it does throw the credibility of the claim that 20's plenty into question.
Would have made more sense if he said, "We never used all the power from the A4, so we decided on 20hp for the refit.
Conditions could be benign during a sea trial and it might be hard to determine if she's under powered.
You guys buying the "wouldn't fit" excuse?
Edit: After I posted this, I decided to post the same question in the diesel forum.
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/diesel...tml#post959197
12-08-2012 09:43 AM
smurphny
Re: Looking at a Alberg 35

I don't know when they started with aluminum booms. If the wood booms actually weight over 100#, it was probably a good idea. The aluminum boom weighs maybe 60#. The reason people are shortening the booms is because of the weather helm issue but you are absolutely right that doing it would also lose the square footage for light air. These boats were competitive in their day and were used by a lot of club racing so they were maxxed out to specs as far as sails go. My mast still has the luff marks that indicated maximum luff length to meet race measurements. Something else to mention to folks thinking about an A35 is that they are slow as molasses compared to modern designs. That said, I remember one day heading over from the CC Canal across the bay when some of the more modern designs turned tail as the waves got larger. The old A35 took 'em in stride. I had waves breaking into the cockpit at times but she never missed a beat.

Sailnet is a great resource but there seem to be few people who ever access the Alberg thread. I see Alberg 35s wherever I go. There are still many in service. There are individual blogs and it's easy to web search for info but a central location to create a database of projects, what works and doesn't (such as boom shortening) and useful information as well as reviews on equipment, etc. would be helpful. The question above about when the boom changed would likely be available.
12-08-2012 02:54 AM
L124C
Re: Looking at a Alberg 35

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Originally Posted by smurphny View Post
I'm with you on the morning workout! Hauling my 45# anchor and 60' of 3/8" chain by hand is always a great way to start the day UGH.

Philyria has one of those useless roller booms. I slab reef but like the boom because it is a hefty chunk of aluminum. The roller mechanism is a waste. They were a bad idea from the git-go. Am seriously considering shortening the boom by about a foot and have actually recut a cruising main to fit a shortened boom. Once my big, battened, roached main is worn out, the next new one will be on a shorter boom.

I've been on the Yahoo group site but few people seem to use it. It would be nice to have a good official A35 site where details of projects and boat-specific info. could be shared. I see a lot of A35s on the water and can't believe the interest is not there if a website were maintained.
Did Pearson go from wood to aluminum booms? If so, when?
What is the advantage to going with a shorter boom over simply reefing early and having the extra sail for light air?
Regarding owners sites: Yankee made less than 140 Yankee 30's (my boat)before they went out of business, most of which are still sailing. I've found the owners site next to useless, do to lack of participation, and have derived much more value from Sailnet. On the other hand, I'm envious of the Erickson owners site. They were very helpful with a Ericson project I was looking at. So, I guess there is strength in numbers! As I understand it, The A35 is the same boat as the A/E 35 with the exception of 500 pounds less ballast and the coach top design on the Ericson, so it might be a valuable resource. I think they would welcome you. Very active site, great people!
12-07-2012 08:02 AM
smurphny
Re: Looking at a Alberg 35

I'm with you on the morning workout! Hauling my 45# anchor and 60' of 3/8" chain by hand is always a great way to start the day UGH.

Philyria has one of those useless roller booms. I slab reef but like the boom because it is a hefty chunk of aluminum. The roller mechanism is a waste. They were a bad idea from the git-go. Am seriously considering shortening the boom by about a foot and have actually recut a cruising main to fit a shortened boom. Once my big, battened, roached main is worn out, the next new one will be on a shorter boom.

I've been on the Yahoo group site but few people seem to use it. It would be nice to have a good official A35 site where details of projects and boat-specific info. could be shared. I see a lot of A35s on the water and can't believe the interest is not there if a website were maintained.

Nice job on the Tomfoolery pages! The core job looks Soooo familiar!
12-06-2012 09:37 PM
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Re: Looking at a Alberg 35

Quote:
Originally Posted by brob76 View Post
Auriga has an aluminum boom from Metalmast. I'm not sure if it was a retrofit or came from Pearson. I have an old Simpson Lawrence manual vertical windless and about 200' of chain. I usually pull it by hand as well but it comes in handy when the wind and tide are strong.

I would love to get an active forum going. There is an Alberg 35 Yahoo group that I assume was started by Tom. If you haven't seen it, here's the link: ALBERG35 : PEARSON ALBERG 35. It's unfortunately rarely active. Tom has actually posted a bunch of updates on his own refit but it was in a corner of the site that was hard to find. Here's the link: 1965 Alberg 35 Tomfoolery - Hull 212.

I own a web development/hosting company so I would be happy to set up and host a forum if there is enough interest.

That would be something I set up a while ago....it is underutilized.

EVERYONE here sign up please!! I'd love for it to be bigger and more useful!!
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