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12-14-2012 12:41 PM
chef2sail
Re: Halloween Hurricane

Quote:
Originally Posted by skygazer View Post
Selected quotes from an accuweather news article:

You can't fire me, I quit! LOL


.. a phase diagram produced by Florida State University Associate Professor Bob Hart reveals that Sandy was an asymmetrical warm-core system (a partially tropical system) at landfall and through central Pennsylvania.

Nov. 13: Assessment team is slated to begin working on the evaluation of the NWS handling before and during Sandy.

Nov. 15: NOAA terminates Sandy Service Assessment, later citing that the charter for the team was never signed and approved. Members of the meteorological community speak out against the termination of the assessment team. Mike Smith, proposed co-chair, blogs that the statement from the NWS is untrue and that "the team was approved and we had begun work."

Nov. 20: Representative Paul Broun writes a letter to NOAA Administrator Dr. Lubchenco stating his concern over the terminated Sandy Service Assessment team and requests that Lubchenco reply to several questions for clarification of the NWS's intent by Dec. 14.


"It is imperative that NWS act quickly and decisively in performing an assessment," Broun wrote to Lubchenco. "With each passing day, the next Service Assessment team may experience increased challenges in collecting the information it needs for a comprehensive report," he added.

Nov. 29: NOAA Spokesperson Susan Buchanan issues a statement indicating that NOAA will proceed with a Hurricane Sandy assessment and that a new assessment team will be formed.

Dec. 11: NOAA releases information regarding the official commissioned Sandy Service Assessment team, stating that it will be multi-disciplinary but will not include any non-governmental leaders. The team is slated to begin field work on Jan. 6, 2013.

Dec. 12: NOAA confirms reports that Administrator Jane Lubchenco is to step down at the end of February 2013.
Maybe some fiscally responsible in the agency decided to not waste more taxpayer money and they will do the assessment within the nomal business that their job descriptions describe.

Dave
12-14-2012 09:26 AM
skygazer
Re: Halloween Hurricane

Selected quotes from an accuweather news article:

Quote:
.. a phase diagram produced by Florida State University Associate Professor Bob Hart reveals that Sandy was an asymmetrical warm-core system (a partially tropical system) at landfall and through central Pennsylvania.

Nov. 13: Assessment team is slated to begin working on the evaluation of the NWS handling before and during Sandy.

Nov. 15: NOAA terminates Sandy Service Assessment, later citing that the charter for the team was never signed and approved. Members of the meteorological community speak out against the termination of the assessment team. Mike Smith, proposed co-chair, blogs that the statement from the NWS is untrue and that "the team was approved and we had begun work."

Nov. 20: Representative Paul Broun writes a letter to NOAA Administrator Dr. Lubchenco stating his concern over the terminated Sandy Service Assessment team and requests that Lubchenco reply to several questions for clarification of the NWS's intent by Dec. 14.


"It is imperative that NWS act quickly and decisively in performing an assessment," Broun wrote to Lubchenco. "With each passing day, the next Service Assessment team may experience increased challenges in collecting the information it needs for a comprehensive report," he added.

Nov. 29: NOAA Spokesperson Susan Buchanan issues a statement indicating that NOAA will proceed with a Hurricane Sandy assessment and that a new assessment team will be formed.

Dec. 11: NOAA releases information regarding the official commissioned Sandy Service Assessment team, stating that it will be multi-disciplinary but will not include any non-governmental leaders. The team is slated to begin field work on Jan. 6, 2013.

Dec. 12: NOAA confirms reports that Administrator Jane Lubchenco is to step down at the end of February 2013.

You can't fire me, I quit! LOL


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Timeline of Sandy, Controversy Surrounding the Storm
12-12-2012 01:17 PM
skygazer
Re: Halloween Hurricane

"
Quote:
NOAA Administrator to Step Down

Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:10 ET
The administrator of NOAA, Dr. Jane Lubchenco, announced that she will step down from her position at the end of February of 2013. "
Quote from Accuweather Premium, a paid service. I'm sure the NOAA administrator step down has nothing to do with Sandy.

But there have been lots of conflicting and confusing statements lately about a review panel, dismissal of the panel, internal reviews, etc.
12-11-2012 03:53 PM
skygazer
Re: Halloween Hurricane

Quote:
Originally Posted by smurphny View Post
.....the bill for their extravagance by rebuilding houses where they should never have been built in the first place? .....
Doesn't the bible talk about building your house on a rock, or on sand? Something like - And the winds came, and the waters came, and great was the fall of it (the house built on sand). Better awareness back then??
12-11-2012 03:41 PM
smurphny
Re: Halloween Hurricane

Quote:
Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
I have also made a few trips to the NJ coast. We took some genrators down to some of my friends who are trying to clean up and live there full time. I used to have a house in Ocean Vity, NJ..the island town next going south from Atlantic City/ Absecon Island. My old house is no longer standing as the storm blew it up. The devastation is staggering. As far as building codes. I agree they will change, The only thing that saved most of the houses was that Ocean City and many communities south of there 25 years ago established a very strict dune buhilding program and stayed with it. These dunes surved as the sacrifical property in s a storm like this. and the waves broke further away from the shoreline because of it. However there was no fighting the surge itself.

dave
You were lucky to find a generator. I went to every Home Depot, lumber yard and Lowes up here in the Adirondacks with the idea of bringing one down with me so we'd at least have some light and power for saws. There was not one to be had. Somebody eventually brought one up from Florida AFTER we had all the walls/insulation ripped out by hand, mud shoveled out, etc. What a f%$*ing mess! There had been 3' of water in the house and there was 1/4" of slimy mud throughout. The garage looked as if it had been a washing machine and a neighbor's new Lexus had washed into the backyard! I had to dig through splintered pieces of the boardwalk all around the place.
12-11-2012 02:56 PM
Familycruisers
Re: Halloween Hurricane

Building codes already have changed, just most of the houses pre-dated those codes.
12-11-2012 02:43 PM
chef2sail
Re: Halloween Hurricane

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I've been down the Jersey Shore a couple of times since the storm, trying to salvage a friend's house. The devastation there is almost too much to convey in words. Municipalities have done a good job of coordinating the recovery but it's going to take a couple of years before it gets back to normal. The scale of the damage is going to cause a lot of reassessment of building codes and new bulkhead projects. The only silver lining is that, in this lousy economy, it's putting a lot of previously out of work construction crews back to work.

With the apparent increased frequency of large, destructive storms and the rise in sea levels from melting ice, sea level populations around the world are going to have to start planning to deal with these things.smurphy

I have also made a few trips to the NJ coast. We took some genrators down to some of my friends who are trying to clean up and live there full time. I used to have a house in Ocean Vity, NJ..the island town next going south from Atlantic City/ Absecon Island. My old house is no longer standing as the storm blew it up. The devastation is staggering. As far as building codes. I agree they will change, The only thing that saved most of the houses was that Ocean City and many communities south of there 25 years ago established a very strict dune buhilding program and stayed with it. These dunes surved as the sacrifical property in s a storm like this. and the waves broke further away from the shoreline because of it. However there was no fighting the surge itself.

dave
12-11-2012 01:16 PM
smurphny
Re: Halloween Hurricane

The tax bills around NYC and NJ will most certainly go up. There's been talk about some sort of flood gates which seems feasible right at The Narrows although Staten Island would still be unprotected. It would probably be cheaper than other alternatives. There was a lot of damage all the way up to Haverstraw in this storm.
12-11-2012 12:54 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Halloween Hurricane

It isn't so much the wealthy that actually pay something for the insurance that I think kills us. It's all the infrastructure, roads, power, and commercial losses. Those get passed back to the rest of us in higher insurance premiums, taxes and and utility costs.
12-11-2012 12:47 PM
smurphny
Re: Halloween Hurricane

I've been a skeptic all along on the global warming issue and don't trust the science but there does seem to be ice melt from glaciers which was not in the sea to begin with but seems to be dropping into the it. Not all the melting is from arctic regions where there is only water below the ice. I don't know the physics of the thing and really don't want to risk opening up the global warming debate yet again

Most of the houses along all our shores started out as little bungalows in a different day and age and have now transformed into high-end, luxury vacation homes for the wealthy. We certainly should not be subsidizing federal flood insurance for them but you know a lot of those homes are owned by the elite and their bought and paid for legislators. So what are the chances that average Americans will be relieved of the bill for their extravagance by rebuilding houses where they should never have been built in the first place? Quite a few of the houses on the Jersey shore were insured. A big bill is coming for repairs.
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