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4 Weeks Ago 10:29 AM
capo
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

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Originally Posted by RickSpil View Post
I am sure that you were dealing with a different broker. The selling broker, Cori Williams, has been extremely helpful and forthcoming. She was originally unaware that the Yachtworld photos showed teak on the side decks, (which is easy enough to miss unless you are looking for it,) but did tell me in our first conversation that the Yachtworld pictures were old. She was candid about the condition of the boat overall. Overall she has done a good job.

I also am reasonably sure that the owner has become somewhat more realistic about the price of the boat over time.

Other maintenance issues notwithstanding, my one concern remains the damp deck core. That may or may not be a deal breaker.
Yes. We were dealing with a different person. Good luck.
4 Weeks Ago 09:26 AM
RickSpil
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

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Originally Posted by capo View Post
Just to let you know. We walked away from that boat. We didn't see it in person but we were serious. We found the broker to be dishonest. Those pictures posted on the listing are 10-18 years old. After a lot of hassle we got some recent pictures of the boat and to us it was enough to see the neglect and misrepresentation of the boat. If there was honesty involved, one could still consider it if the price was right to take care of her. I really like these boats and they can be a great value for the money but we got a different boat.
I am sure that you were dealing with a different broker. The selling broker, Cori Williams, has been extremely helpful and forthcoming. She was originally unaware that the Yachtworld photos showed teak on the side decks, (which is easy enough to miss unless you are looking for it,) but did tell me in our first conversation that the Yachtworld pictures were old. She was candid about the condition of the boat overall. Overall she has done a good job.

I also am reasonably sure that the owner has become somewhat more realistic about the price of the boat over time.

Other maintenance issues notwithstanding, my one concern remains the damp deck core. That may or may not be a deal breaker.
4 Weeks Ago 06:01 AM
capo
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

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Originally Posted by RickSpil View Post
Just got back from the survey. Good and bad news. I am not sure what to do. The boat sailed very well during the sea trial. The engine looked and sounded good. The hull is in decent shape.

The one big concern that could be the deal breaker is that the surveyor found pretty widespread moisture in the deck, as well as a few delaminated spots.

The old teak deck sheathing was removed and the deck reglassed and non-skid applied at least ten years ago. The boat has not be maintained in about three years. I know about leaks in the cabin from the port lights and hatches. I am reasonably sure that the caulk on deck fittings and stanchions is shot and probably a source of leaking as well.

If the core was balsa or plywood, I would definitely walk away. from this thread, I understand that the core Albin used is Divinycell foam, which may be somewhat more impervious to water. The decks themselves do not feel spongy from walking and bouncing around on them.

The easiest thing to do is to walk away. On the other hand, I do like the boat quite a bit. Does anyone have any wisdom to offer?
Just to let you know. We walked away from that boat. We didn't see it in person but we were serious. We found the broker to be dishonest. Those pictures posted on the listing are 10-18 years old. After a lot of hassle we got some recent pictures of the boat and to us it was enough to see the neglect and misrepresentation of the boat. If there was honesty involved, one could still consider it if the price was right to take care of her. I really like these boats and they can be a great value for the money but we got a different boat.
4 Weeks Ago 02:06 PM
hellosailor
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

As Tom Chapin used to say to his brother Harry during concerts, "That sucks."

Dinicyl, or whatever the plastic curlicues are, might be hard to match up if recoring. But then again, in theory it just gets wet but doesn't break down. Maybe you can find out from the maker?

If ALL the teak was removed, and the entire deck was re-glassed and done properly, there should be no more water intrusion and it should have dried out before being re-sealed. Unless they were trying to grow new antibiotics in there.

Question would be how is the water still getting in, how extensive the work will be needed to pursue that, because it undoubtedly will be leaking into the interior and making life, well, wet and moldy if nothing worse.

I'd bet the broker knew of this and was innocently playing dumb, nice guy.

Drying the deck out...sounds like removing all the hatches and hardware and leaving a blower running for a week or two might do it. Figure the cost of that, dead storage for the month, having a yard remove and reinstall all of that, and get an estimate for what what would come to. WAG is seven grand and I wouldn't be surprised to see ten, remember it should be indoors or tented to keep new rain out while that is done.

Then give Mr. Integrity your revised offer, deducting that price from the purchase price. And be generous to yourself as to making Real Damned Sure you've covered everything.

Of course, I'm just a hard character. I don't like sleeping in the rain, no matter HOW soft the sheets, or the water, are.
07-31-2015 01:09 PM
RickSpil
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

Just got back from the survey. Good and bad news. I am not sure what to do. The boat sailed very well during the sea trial. The engine looked and sounded good. The hull is in decent shape.

The one big concern that could be the deal breaker is that the surveyor found pretty widespread moisture in the deck, as well as a few delaminated spots.

The old teak deck sheathing was removed and the deck reglassed and non-skid applied at least ten years ago. The boat has not be maintained in about three years. I know about leaks in the cabin from the port lights and hatches. I am reasonably sure that the caulk on deck fittings and stanchions is shot and probably a source of leaking as well.

If the core was balsa or plywood, I would definitely walk away. from this thread, I understand that the core Albin used is Divinycell foam, which may be somewhat more impervious to water. The decks themselves do not feel spongy from walking and bouncing around on them.

The easiest thing to do is to walk away. On the other hand, I do like the boat quite a bit. Does anyone have any wisdom to offer?
07-18-2015 01:58 PM
RickSpil
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

Agreed. When I said re-caulking, I meant rebedding. Running a bead of caulk is better than nothing but not by much.
07-18-2015 01:52 PM
hellosailor
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

Just keep in mind, caulking portlights and hatches is only a temporary fix. If they leak, they really need to be rebidded properly, and completely. Caulking is a step better than slapping duct tape over them, but just a short-term solution.

Let us all know what happens.
07-18-2015 01:48 PM
RickSpil
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

The brokerage photos show teak on the side decks, but, in fact, the only remaining teak on the boat is one small bit of trim on the stern. My guess is that the surveyor's hammer may be a better tool than his moisture meter when going over the decks, but we shall see.

The engine will require a serious looking over in the survey. The boat has been on the hard for about a year, so it is likely that it was run a least at the dock more recently than three years ago.

The new rig reportedly came about after the old mast was damaged by a commercial boat mover. At least that is what the records say.

The interior looks pretty good. A bit of cosmetic varnish work here and there but overall not bad. Regarding the port lights and hatches, I've done a lot of caulking and recaulking over the years, but I may or may not have time.

If we do come to terms on price and the survey comes out OK, it will be interesting to see where I end up putting her. I haven't ruled out the Northern Chesapeake. Or if all goes well, I will put her to bed for the winter closer to home.
07-18-2015 01:20 PM
hellosailor
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

Three years, wow. I thought that looked familiar.

"The non-skid paint that was applied needs a bit of help in a few spots." Sp they fiberglassed over the foredeck but left the teak on the side decks? If so I'd expect that will also be a potential for more leaks, could be time to redo the entire deck. PITA to remove all the fittings and do that, I guess that all depends on the specifics. I think Albin used a curly plastic scrim, not wood, in the deck, so a moisture meter might not say much, as the water would be running through, not held and trapped. Dunno but a good surveyor might. I'd settle for either putting a fire hose on it, or doing a pressure leak test. (Send the broker out to a bar and tell him to have lunch while you're doing that.(G)

1600 hours can be nothing on a diesel, but three years of sitting around means checking how carefully it was laid up as well. If it wasn't fogged, the rings may have rusted, etc.

A new mast begs the question of "what happened?" and an 18-year old rig just means it is the normal time to have the entire standing rigging redone "need it or not". I wonder if the engine and mast were both replaced out of the same incident?

"the portlights and hatches leak. There is also leaking around the anchor locker forward." Plenty of threads on that. I've done both, and the only talent needed is taking care to make sure the new bedding compounds are chosen and used correctly. You *will* have to totally remove every one of them, clean the hull and flanges, and reinstall in order to seal them properly. If any need replacement or reglazing, that's the time. Hiring a yard to do it...a lot of labor and personally, I'm always a little gun shy of how well a job I can't see was actually done, by some guy who's main concern is the clock, not how dry I'll be in five years.(G)

No water damage below? All that beautiful Albin woodwork still firm and solid?

Figuring that any deck work, hatches, etc. will require adhesives or paint or caulking, most of which require "warm" temperatures...thirty days for a fast schedule of boat and engine surveyors...you're into September. Maybe another two weeks if you have a local rigger re-rig the boat before taking it home. (Your insurer will have requirements for a survey, and rigging age, yada yada) So you're pushing a window simply to bring the boat home this season, and then if September is typical for NJ, you may not be able to deal with the deck & openings until the spring anyway. Plan for some heavy tarps, and a month or two starting in April or May where you'd need to get the boat and the work started, not blocked in the back of a yard. (I'm guessing the broker warned the guy "If you don't sell it now, it will be here another eight months..."

Kinda like putting away a xmas present for yourself, you just have to remember that you won't be able to unwrap it until late spring, unless you find a good yard to do all the work "now now now" and take a chilly delivery back home. I'd hate to rush a job that big.

Do also make sure your surveyor knows Albin construction, and checks the rudder out of water. Even a hairline crack at the rudder post can mean internal water, and they aren't quick, cheap, or simple to replace.

Then again...What's the worst thing that happens if you pass? She'll still be up for sale in spring, at a lower price? (G)

I think a lot depends, in this case, not only on the condition of the boat, but more so on how much time and money you can put into it now, real hard and fast, versus stowing it "as is" for the winter, and the extra expenses of that.
07-18-2015 10:13 AM
RickSpil
Re: Any Albin Nimbus 42 owners out there

I took a look at a 1981 Albin Nimbus in Virginia yesterday. Very interesting boat. A helpful and knowledgeable broker, as well.

The deck was redone more than 10 years ago. The non-skid paint that was applied needs a bit of help in a few spots. There is a bit of blistering on the hull but the blisters are small enough not to to worry me much. Mechanically, the engine looks good with 1,600 hours since the last rebuild. The mast and rig were new in 1996 and 1997. The boat appears to be have been reasonably well maintained, notwithstanding that she has been on the market for the last 3 years.

The most obvious problem with the boat is that the portlights and hatches leak. There is also leaking around the anchor locker forward. The cracked and missing caulking on the portlights is visible from outside. The hatches seem to have similar issues. That is the sort of work I could handle or I might want to hire a boatyard to take care of.

Obviously, there is a lot that surveyor with a hammer and a moisture meter might be able to tell me as well. Likewise, I won't know much about the engine prior to a sea trial and survey.

I am leaning toward making an offer. Anything obvious that I am missing?
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