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12-17-2012 06:58 PM
wanttosail
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

Don't forget going to the bar a beer or two or 10... once in a while that can be pretty unsafe
12-17-2012 06:50 PM
Brewgyver
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

While time consuming, and a serious PITA nailing down details for some of the events, it was nontheless interesting reading. The one clear pattern that I was able to discern in the pleasure craft categories was that all of the S/V activations were serious, potentially life-threatening events: Dismastings, rudder failures, serious personal injuries to crew (from falls, mostly), and of course taking on water (plain old sinking). Also, the number of S/V activations from vessels that were doing ocean crossings was small, 6 IIRC.

The M/V pleasure category had numerous actications that were not immediately life threatening, at least from the info provided in the report, but location and other specific circumstances may have made them more urgent than they sounded.
12-17-2012 11:31 AM
AdamLein
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewgyver View Post
Of course, the number of EPIRBs in use has grown exponentially, so it would follow that the number of activations would increase somewhat.
Absolutely. All else being equal, a doubling in the number of EPIRBs in use would correspond to a doubling in the number of EPIRB activations. Of course, all else isn't equal -- for example, some new EPIRBs will be purchased by experienced sailors with no or few accidents at sea -- so the actual increase will be less than double.

This goes for all the electronic aids mentioned. GPS navigation has enabled/encouraged lots of novices to take to the seas, and even if, per sailor-year they have the same incident rate as the prior group of celestial-nav-only sailors, you'd naturally expect more incidents, since there are more sailors every year.
12-16-2012 04:51 PM
Brewgyver
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

In the Bounty in Troble thread, a poster had asserted that the proliferation of electronic nav tools, coupled with the proliferation of EPIRBs, was contibuting to more and more cases of Search And Rescue (SAR) events caused by inexperienced sailors taking on extended voyages, crossings, etc. He posted a chart from the international SARSAT organization, which tracks all of the various EPIRB, ELT and PLB activations and the SAR responses. Of course, the total number of such activations include Aircraft emergencies, PLBs carried by hikers, etc. The document summary breaks the "events" down in three categories: Aviation, Maritime, and Land. The poster pointed out the increasing number of maritime activations each year since the advent of the system to support his claim. His claim of dramatic increases in SAR missions was contrary to the U.S. Coast Guard stats which show a dramatic DECREASE in SAR missions over the last decade or so. Of course, the number of EPIRBs in use has grown exponentially, so it would follow that the number of activations would increase somewhat. I was somewhat surprised that worldwide, there were only 317 maritime activations TOTAL in 2011. The 2010 report is no longer linke on the site, bet the maritime number was ~350. Total activations including Aviation, Maritime and Land in 2010 was 641, 2011 total was 644.

I got curious, so I searched throught the whole COSPAS/SARSAT report, to see what the breakdown of "Maritime" events were. In many cases, the vehicle description is simply "Vessel" which is not very helpful. Example:
Quote:
Date of Incident: 03-Jan-11 Location: 33°56' N 044°22' E
Type of incident: Maritime
Type of beacon: EPIRB Vehicle: Vessel
Vehicle Name: Call Sign:
Reporting MCC FMCC Beacon Country: Belgium
Persons Involved: 3 Persons Rescued: 0
Cospas-Sarsat provided only alert
Details of Incident: Vessel capsized.
Beacon Frequency: 406.028 MHz
Beacon Hex ID: 99A9930A34D35D1
Country Flag:Belgium
Is Beacon Registered? No
Location:
Sometimes the description of the response yielded enough info to determine type, in quite a few others I googled the vessel name and location to get an answer. Many events resulted in a tow back to port, but most did involove an actual rescue. I just finished the first 6 monhts of 2011, and stats for "Maritime events" include 68 labled as Fishing Vessels, some of which may have been private craft, but most of them were commercial. By FAR, the vast majority of deaths in the EPIRB activation events were on Fishing Vessels. There were only 12 listed (or determined by web searching to be) Cargo vessels of one kind or another, but they were second in number of deaths. There were 62 that were Motored pleasure crafts from rubabouts to >50' motor yachts. Others "events" were listed as: 4 Kayaks, 2 PWCs, 2 Tugboats, 9 Dinghies (all of the "dinghies" were in or around Aus and NZ).

Back to the original topic: There were 27 S/Vs, and three deaths from those 27 incidents. One solo sailor in the Bay of Biscay, and two on the Berserk yacht off Antarctica.

SARSAT documentation
12-15-2012 02:15 AM
AdamLein
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

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Originally Posted by MarkofSeaLife View Post
What can one say
"What are the odds?"
12-14-2012 08:39 PM
MarkofSeaLife
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

Quote:
Girl dies after umbrella strikes head

Date: December 15 2012


A nine-year-old girl died hours after being struck on the head by a wind-blown umbrella at a school break-up party in Bundaberg, 380 kilometers north of Brisbane.

Police say the girl was hit by an umbrella that blew over at Anzac Pool in Bundaberg around 11am on Thursday.
What can one say
12-14-2012 07:05 PM
flyingwelshman
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
I'm pretty sure the odds of dying on a sailboat are about the same as being eaten by a transvestite monkey (which, you'll notice, is also a means of demise not on that list). Of course, if you fall off said sailboat without a pfd, the monkey usually wins.
The odds went up: Ikea Monkey: Macaque In Coat Seen In Toronto
12-14-2012 06:58 PM
smackdaddy
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

Your call.

I always wear an integrated pfd/harness when I'm offshore. I think the hassle's worth coming home.
12-14-2012 06:51 PM
rockDAWG
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Of course, if you fall off said sailboat without a pfd, the monkey usually wins.
Smack, actually I have been thinking not to wear PFD or at least not the auto inflated one when sailing in the pond..... instead just wear a mountain climbing harness with tether. I think it is much safer and better weight distribution and provides a better chance to climb back up on the side of the boat. With that, taking off your foul weather jacket is much easy with the said harness. A wet jacket weights more than 50 lbs.
12-14-2012 06:10 PM
smackdaddy
Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

I'm pretty sure the odds of dying on a sailboat are about the same as being eaten by a transvestite monkey (which, you'll notice, is also a means of demise not on that list). Of course, if you fall off said sailboat without a pfd, the monkey usually wins.
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