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12-18-2012 02:21 PM
Cruiser2B
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

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Originally Posted by bamabratsche View Post
where I have yet to see a thread degenerate into all this name-calling.
welcome to Sailnet! You are now amongst the finest keyboard sailors anywhere, a place where proof and actual experience mean nothing!!!!

I love hanging here as source of entertainment!

True be told, lots of experience here, just never listen to me!
12-18-2012 01:55 PM
bamabratsche
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

Another argument in favor of the CD30 is the large and supportive community over at the Cape Dory board, where I have yet to see a thread degenerate into all this name-calling.
12-18-2012 12:39 PM
sailingfool
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

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Originally Posted by Flybyknight View Post
How do you know what's in my sail bags?
Hey, you got me there, I dont really know and I dont particularly care, but remembering far distant struggles with a 170% genoa (such sail having pretty much disappeared from contemporary sailing...), it hard to fathom the reality of a jib that large...
12-18-2012 08:27 AM
Flybyknight
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

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Originally Posted by sailingfool View Post
A 220%? I gotta say I have never heard of a sail for a sloop larger than 170%, and that was back in the old days. A 220% sounds like a calculator error....
How do you know what's in my sail bags?
12-17-2012 09:37 PM
Cruiser2B
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

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Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
Sorry, but a PHRF of 228 on a 30' is not slow - it's VERY slow. A Capri 22 rates 207. A Wetsnail 32 rates 213.

I fully agree that Albergs are good looking, well built and sail well when the wind blows (with a lot of weather helm in my experience) but they ARE slow in light air.
Never said it was fast, nor did the OP require a race boat. A Cape Dory 30 with the right sails will move fairly well on a light day on the Chesapeake or anywhere. An Alberg designed boat can and does make a great day/weekend cruiser. A good light air sail made all the difference for me in the light airs of the chesapeake.... but what do i know....I just own one and have a video, several, to prove an Alberg can move in light air......

My Alberg had some weather helm when I first sailed her. Last year when I rerigged my boat, I redesigned the mast base plate, just drilled some additional holes, to allow the mast to move forward even further over the beam. I moved the mast forward an additional 7/8" of an inch and it has made a tremendous diffence in reducing weather helm. maybe try it on the one you used to sail......
12-17-2012 08:30 PM
Cruiser2B
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

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Originally Posted by Cruiser2B View Post
Very poor advice here, actually just plain wrong. While I admit that my Alberg is a bit slower than some, if there is wind it will move just as any other boat, just slower. you just have to know how to make the boat sail in light air, something this poster does not obviously know how to do. I had trouble at first and after some practice and the right sails, my alberg moves quite nicely under 10kts now. BTW the sailing here in the summer is not too bad at all, this summer saw quite a few days with 10-15. even some 20kt days. Heck I have been trying to get out here lately in DEC and the winds have been light and too foggy. Its a mixed bag so buy the boat you like. if the wind gets kicking which it does....you'll be glad you're in an Alberg designed boat.
Here is a video of my Alberg with the drifter, doing about 3kts on a day that saw no more than 8kts of wind. She is moving along quite nicely.

Adventures of Salacia: Gorgeous Day Sail
12-17-2012 08:30 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

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Originally Posted by Cruiser2B View Post
Very poor advice here, actually just plain wrong. While I admit that my Alberg is a bit slower than some, if there is wind it will move just as any other boat, just slower. you just have to know how to make the boat sail in light air, something this poster does not obviously know how to do. I had trouble at first and after some practice and the right sails, my alberg moves quite nicely under 10kts now. BTW the sailing here in the summer is not too bad at all, this summer saw quite a few days with 10-15. even some 20kt days. Heck I have been trying to get out here lately in DEC and the winds have been light. Its a mixed bag so buy the boat you like. if the wind gets kicking which it does....you'll be glad you're in an Alberg designed boat.
Sorry, but a PHRF of 228 on a 30' is not slow - it's VERY slow. A Capri 22 rates 207. A Wetsnail 32 rates 213.

I fully agree that Albergs are good looking, well built and sail well when the wind blows (with a lot of weather helm in my experience) but they ARE slow in light air.
12-17-2012 08:21 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

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Originally Posted by sailingfool View Post
A 220%? I gotta say I have never heard of a sail for a sloop larger than 170%, and that was back in the old days. A 220% sounds like a calculator error....
I never have either - they had 180's on the old, very long ended CCA boats some times and even they sheeted to the transom corners like a spinnaker.

The Alberg I sailed had a 180 and the clew was aft of the cockpit sheet winch.

We also had to have a guy in the bow pulpit at all times because you couldn't see a thing to leeward from the cockpit.

I can't see how you could even get a sheeting angle on a 220.
12-17-2012 08:21 PM
Cruiser2B
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

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Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
IMHO this is the best advice here. We have very light air here in the summer as well. If you want to go sailing instead of bobbing around a great deal of the time. get a lighter boat with a bigger rig and a smaller keel than the CD.

I have time in on an Alberg 30 here and it was frustrating. Get a more contemporary design and you'll have more fun for your stated purposes.

Edit: re: PHRF 207 for a 30' makes it a dog - my 26' Quarter Tonner rated 195
Very poor advice here, actually just plain wrong. While I admit that my Alberg is a bit slower than some, if there is wind it will move just as any other boat, just slower. you just have to know how to make the boat sail in light air, something this poster does not obviously know how to do. I had trouble at first and after some practice and the right sails, my alberg moves quite nicely under 10kts now. BTW the sailing here in the summer is not too bad at all, this summer saw quite a few days with 10-15. even some 20kt days. Heck I have been trying to get out here lately in DEC and the winds have been light and too foggy. Its a mixed bag so buy the boat you like. if the wind gets kicking which it does....you'll be glad you're in an Alberg designed boat.
12-17-2012 07:44 PM
sailingfool
Re: Cape Dory 30 - How slow is "slow?"

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Originally Posted by Flybyknight View Post
Adam,
I have a 220 on my CD25 and it's track accommodates my 220.
According to the CD Owners Manual, a CD30 has a 18" bow sprite so a 220 would fit just fine.
I would be interested to know where you got the documentation for your above statement.
Dick
A 220%? I gotta say I have never heard of a sail for a sloop larger than 170%, and that was back in the old days. A 220% sounds like a calculator error....
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