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12-20-2012 10:13 AM
sww914
Re: Overloaded

Since we've been cruising I've learned that weather forecasts, not even from one source but all my sources combined, are right about 1/2 of each day, 1/2 of the time. You have to be prepared. If the forecast says 10-15 it will be between dead calm and 25 knots with gusts to 30. The swell size is usually close, the direction, not so much.
We've left when the forecast was 10-20 on the beam and we had to motor all day with all the sails flapping. We left to go around Point Conception and the forecast was 10-15 with a 6-8 foot swell. The reality was 30-35 with gusts to 45 and a 16-18 foot swell.
I knew that NOAA was wrong as soon as I looked at the sky at dawn.
12-20-2012 09:40 AM
floridajaxsailor
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What strikes me most is this is a very honest and open assessment of a personal condition/challenge
no harm no foul
You to sound like you came through while learning even more about sailing in heavy winds
kudos to u
~JD
12-20-2012 09:09 AM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Overloaded

Quote:
Originally Posted by zz4gta View Post
I run 1" nylon webbing from the stern cleat to the bow cleat. Yes, it would be difficult to get back on if I was at the end of my jackline, but the cleats were there, and all I did was buy heavy duty nylon webbing online. Cheap and easy.

The downhaul is easy. Block at the stem, bow cleat, whatever, then run a line up to 8-10' from the head. Done. I tried it on my boat, but it didn't work too well with the tuff luff.
Yeah, the webbing is what I have/borrow. I also have a pair of nice, Wichard folding pad-eyes. I want to install one in my cockpit sole as a tether anchor point.

Thanks for the jib downhaul tip. I'm going to rig that one soon!
12-20-2012 09:08 AM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Overloaded

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Originally Posted by deltaten View Post
Bubble;

And this post from a fella that recommended I'd need a 130% minimum fer a "starter' jib !!!!! (that *was* you, wasn't it?)

Good ta hear yer OK and had (some sorta) fun this late in the season.
Thanks for the reality check! Can I cash it at any bank?
Dude, you're not going to intentionally head out into 20+ knots like I do. You're also probably not going to sail as deep into the winter as I do. The Watkins also take a lot more breeze to get moving than my boat.

Trust me, my recommendation still stands, but you would also benefit from having a little 100% or 90% jib in case you get caught in a blow accidentally.
12-20-2012 08:52 AM
zz4gta
Re: Overloaded

I run 1" nylon webbing from the stern cleat to the bow cleat. Yes, it would be difficult to get back on if I was at the end of my jackline, but the cleats were there, and all I did was buy heavy duty nylon webbing online. Cheap and easy.

The downhaul is easy. Block at the stem, bow cleat, whatever, then run a line up to 8-10' from the head. Done. I tried it on my boat, but it didn't work too well with the tuff luff.
12-20-2012 07:59 AM
deltaten
Re: Overloaded

Bubble;

And this post from a fella that recommended I'd need a 130% minimum fer a "starter' jib !!!!! (that *was* you, wasn't it?)

Good ta hear yer OK and had (some sorta) fun this late in the season.
Thanks for the reality check! Can I cash it at any bank?
12-20-2012 06:28 AM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Overloaded

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flybyknight View Post
You might want to consider a jib down-haul and all lines running aft; but jack lines are probably on the top of your upgrade list.
Dick
Yes, a jib downhaul would be great. I have jacklines but they weren't installed at the time.

I also have some Wichard folding padeyes that I want to install in the cockpit to tether to.
12-19-2012 08:52 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Overloaded

Quote:
Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd View Post
Here on the Chesapeake, some of us aren't done sailing.

Yesterday was 60F, partly cloudy and when I departed from the dock, it was blowing 20 knots varying rather widely between the west and northwest.

20 knots for me is fun, lively sailing. I reefed at the dock and loaded the 130% genoa. We shot out of my river as if from a canon. Downwind sailing, 6.5 - 7.5 knots.

Down the Rhode, into the West river, and out into the Bay. After a few minutes, I felt the boat being pushed even harder and I just knew that the uphill slog back into the West River was going to be some real work.

I turned the boat back west, and got my a$$ totally handed to me by a 32 knot wind. Boat's on her side, water splashing over the coamings, even with a two-speed winch, I simply couldn't grind that jib in. We were being shoved sideways by the waves and wind. The winch was intermittantly underwater. All leeway and no headway.

I gave up and fell off. Now we're under control and flying, but being driven further away from home, to the SE. This time, I want to tack and sail north to get lined up with the mouth of the river. It took two tries to get the bow through the wind, and I still couldn't get the jib in enough, but I was able to start the engine and drive us north, even with the mouth of the river, finally getting the jib sheeted in to the correct point.

We tacked again to sail WSW back into the river and I was able to disengage the engine. We tacked one final time to sail north, into the Rhode river to my marina.

I was disappointed that I chose an incorrect sail for the conditions, and disappointed that I allowed myself to be overpowered, and required the engine even briefly. Seriously, 32 knots deserves respect but I should have been able to handle this.

I intend to sail around Delmarva and if I can't handle a 30 knot breeze, I have no business being out there.

I have an auto-pilot, but it's not installed yet.
I do have a storm jib, but it was in my storage unit in town, not on the boat where it shoud have been.

I considered dropping the main, but felt that I would lose my ability to point, and require even more engine work to return to port. The Pearson 30 derives it's "drive" from the jib, and main balances the helm and provides pointing ability.

Thoughts?
Dude, you were sailing. It's freakin' Festivus and you're sailing.

Very nice. And time for a 110.

Chessie sailors (most of 'em) are seriously hardcore.
12-19-2012 08:06 PM
Flybyknight
Re: Overloaded

You might want to consider a jib down-haul and all lines running aft; but jack lines are probably on the top of your upgrade list.
Dick
12-19-2012 07:07 PM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Overloaded

Ok, I'll give your traveler method a try.
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