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12-21-2012 11:20 AM
hellosailor
Re: Floated off the stands

Custom Fiberglass 1-781-740-1067
Richie Doyle; Hingham, MA

Onceuponatime, these guys also had a top reputation for combining glass work with winter storage. I don't know what their rates are these days but if they are still around it could pay to call, they're the kind of shop that gets on the short list for kudos.
12-21-2012 07:49 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Floated off the stands

$300 per foot for reprint is about standard. If you shop around, you may get it down to $250ish and be sure to have them throw in the haul and launch and perhaps unstepping/restepping the rig (doubt they will tune it for free). The way to negotiate is to get them to do the things that actually cost them virtually nothing on a marginal basis, but save you real money. But, be sure they are good painters, not some overspray wizard that always wanted to paint a boat.

There are guys around here that speak of a yard in Maine that is supposed to be very good and they talk of acquaintances that take their last sail of the season up there and leave her on the hard to be painted over the winter. They speak of it costing half, between paint and winter storage. I would have to track them down for the name.
12-20-2012 05:57 PM
lillia28
Re: Floated off the stands

Brucey,
I was at. Carriage House also. I understand they had to rent a large crane for 10 days or so. My boat was in a pile of 32 boats. Cost of Salvage does factor in their decision to total. I had Progressive, their Cat team agent told me it was NJ law about marking the title, but definatly double check. They were useing $120.00 hour labor rate. That adds up fast.
Two part polyurethane top side paint is expensive, but we could strip off the first coat and do it over for a lot less than $300/ foot!
I am in Fair Haven, and I'm serious about helping. Been looking for a new boat. PM me if u start to look. I might be able to save you a trip or two. I am looking in the 28-30 ft range. Several project boats advertized as perfect condition.
Lou
12-20-2012 02:56 PM
bruceyp
Re: Floated off the stands

Thanks for the input all of you.
Lillia,
Lou, our boat is still at Carriage House Marina. I have read here and other places about hand painting. I get the theory but the actual results may not be what I had in mind, Don Casey, not withstanding. As for help, I'll keep you in mind. Where was your boat?
AZguy,
That price $300/ foot was for a total repaint of the hull.
Lillia, HelloSailor,
The title being marked Salvage and future insurance limitations I find to be a real problem. No matter how well I did the repairs, a Salvage title would make any resale value next to nothing. I will be checking up on the NJ insurance issues.
aa3jy,
Yeah, I already got the bill for the recovery and sent it to the insurance company. It was almost $5K. And our boat didn't go 50 feet. Makes me wonder if they are deducting that $5k from the stated value, leaving me with even less $.
I'll wait until I get the real info from the Insurance Company.I could make myself crazy (or crazier).
But I sure hate to lose the Hannah Lee.
B
12-20-2012 12:55 PM
aa3jy
Re: Floated off the stands

I heard a story of a power boat owner on Long Beach Island,NJ that is being billed for 8,000 dollars by a salvage company plus another 800 dollars from the marina just to move a boat, that floated off it's jack stands, valued at around 2300 dollars...
12-20-2012 12:00 PM
lillia28
Re: Floated off the stands

Acording to Don Casey, rolling and tipping is EASY!
I'd be happy to give you a hand. I have discovered with no boat to work on, I have no life! Nothing to do but rake leaves!

IMHO, they'd rather close the file. Only boats I heard being repaired were very expensive, so a big gap between cost of repair and value of boat. Progressive had 1800 claims in NJ. I
Started pricing parts, pulpits etc. Every one. said they'd like to sell me parts, but they advised
Letting the boat go. Even diy gets very expensive very quickly.
Lou
12-20-2012 11:40 AM
hellosailor
Re: Floated off the stands

Brucey-
"If they "total " the boat, is their "buy back" price negotiable? "
Everything is negotiable. But be aware that if they total the boat out, whether they transfer it to a salvage title or not (check your state laws) the boat will be a total and you may not be able to get anything more than liability insurance on it afterwards. Check with your insurer and your state about local rules and process.

"Are there ways to mitigate the approximately $300/ foot repaint costs?" Sure, you get bids. Odds are any shop with an environmentally controlled paint booth will charge the same thing. Might be able to fit you in next spring. Guys who work out of a trailer illegally in a field will be cheaper, and some are even good at keeping the gnats out of the paint. Mitigate? Not really, but you can shop around for price and quality. Sometimes you can sail or haul to a shop 200 miles away and simply get a better price.

"What would I need to do to the mast to minimize the effects of the salt water bath?"
Wash in fresh water ASAP. What's done is done and AFAIK there's no "neutralizing", you just wash it to stop any further salt damage.

" Is it possible to get a slightly used Furler? Are they difficult to install seeing that the mast is down?" There are consignment shops that carry used gear, somewhere on the forums I'm sure there's a list. Hard to install? Nuts and bolts and instructions. Is it hard to build a swing set, tricycle or bbq?

"Would I have any trouble re-surveying the boat after the repairs so I could get the boat re-insured? " Yeah, from the top. Once totalled, some insurers won't touch it. You need to start with your state insurance commission to find out the laws, then ask your insurer, because sometimes they also lie. One of the things they lie about is the value of your boat, again, ask your state insurance commission who or if they are allowed to determine that value, and make sure they have followed the rules. With a car, I've seen an insurer with a top name literally cheat, break the rules, and finally raise their offer nearly 400%.

Think of this as a high-stakes poker game. They may be smiling at you, that doesn't mean they won't take you for everything if they can. If they treat you well and follow the rules--then come back to praise them afterwards. The few good guys deserve that.
12-20-2012 11:37 AM
lillia28
Re: Floated off the stands

I had an agreed value, so the price was not negotiated. If you did not have agreed value, I think you can negotiate, but no first hand experience.
Be careful, I understand that in NJ the title MUST be marked "salvaged". You will have a tough time selling later on. I'd ask the ins co. Aboutresurveying.
I read an article that 90% of furler problems are caused by improper installation. I would call Dave at
Eggers in So Amboy. He can give you better advice. He does great work, and prices are reasonable.
Where in sea bright were you?
Lou
12-20-2012 11:35 AM
azguy
Re: Floated off the stands

Boy, that awful, but it makes me think...what is a sailboat really worth today...after reading many of these storm threads both on this site and others I have heard of nobody that actaully had the insurance company OK repairs on their boat. It's almost always a total....

BTW, are you saying the quote was $300 a ft to repaint what was damaged...?
12-20-2012 11:22 AM
bruceyp
Re: Floated off the stands

I am reviving this thread because I too had a boat in Sea Bright, NJ and she also floated off her stands. I'll say right off that my wife and I (not to mention my granddaughter) love this boat.
As luck would have it, when we hauled 3 weeks before the storm, I decided to take the mast down to check the rigging the furler etc. When the storm surge floated her off her stands the Hannah Lee looks to have floated in a circle bumped into a building and was then surrounded by 3 other boats. I was able to get to her a few weeks ago and found her scratched moderately but generally in good condition. The worst wear was under her bow where she must have been chafing on another boat, but even this is pretty cosmetic. There was no evidence of any water inside. The rudder turns stop to stop without a hitch. The keel has it's same old C&C smile but no other damage. The prop and shaft are intact and run true. I have started and winterized the engine with no problem. The mast on the other hand was under water and the head stay looks un-wound on the top near the fitting that is swaged on. The furler also was under water.
I thought that this was really good news until yesterday when the surveyor called and hinted that the repaint job alone could exceed their value for the boat. He hasn't finished the paperwork so the exact numbers aren't available yet.
So here are my questions:
If they "total " the boat, is their "buy back" price negotiable? Are there ways to mitigate the approximately $300/ foot repaint costs? (Tip and Brush it myself? Ugh.) What would I need to do to the mast to minimize the effects of the salt water bath? Is it possible to get a slightly used Furler? Are they difficult to install seeing that the mast is down? Would I have any trouble re-surveying the boat after the repairs so I could get the boat re-insured? What other issues am I likely to run up against?
Thanks for your input.
BruceyP
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