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01-05-2013 08:53 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

I will bet a huge number of Great Lakes boaters like to think they could head down the canal and out to open water one day.

I will bet there are some that dump overboard anyway.

I read an article on boat waste and the Great Lakes. Intuition would suggest you don't dump in a confined place, but most probably can't wrap their heads around how big they really are. Nevertheless, the thing they were most worried about wasn't the waste itself. It was all the crazy nuclear chemicals that some boaters use to disinfect or deodorize their holding tanks. That stuff really should be banned. You can ironically do it more effectively without those chemicals. You just have to use your head correctly. The chemicals actually kill the bacteria that could breakdown waste, odor free, if you let it. For starters, you have to keep EVERYTHING out of the tank, unless you ate it first. I hate extremist environmentalists, but I am totally behind environmental improvements that actually work.
01-05-2013 08:23 AM
bljones
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

It's actually illegal on the Great Lakes to direct discharge so maybe the ad writer is mistaken.
01-05-2013 06:46 AM
Ninefingers
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

It says a macerator is being installed. Is that necessary on the Great Lakes?
01-05-2013 06:03 AM
Kalina-Lona
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

Quote:
Originally Posted by smp View Post
I was in the market for a C&C 27 when I purchased my last boat. I ended up with a C&C 32 but I looked at enough C&C 27s to know a good deal when I see one and that's just what came up today:
1975 C&C 27 Mark III - City of Toronto Sailboats For Sale - Kijiji City of Toronto Canada.

I would jump on that (provided it's sound etc). You can't really go wrong with a C&C.
Thanks very much, I'll call today. That is one of the boats I've been looking for.

Cheers,

Ron
01-04-2013 04:31 PM
smp
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

I was in the market for a C&C 27 when I purchased my last boat. I ended up with a C&C 32 but I looked at enough C&C 27s to know a good deal when I see one and that's just what came up today:
1975 C&C 27 Mark III - City of Toronto Sailboats For Sale - Kijiji City of Toronto Canada.

I would jump on that (provided it's sound etc). You can't really go wrong with a C&C.
12-29-2012 03:11 PM
Capt-T
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

Over 40 posts and nobody has pointed out the TRUE MORAL OF THE STORY...

Never trust anyone who takes 3 week vacations!!!
12-29-2012 02:43 PM
smurphny
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

Sounds like a learning experience. If it's not in writing, it's not a deal. It was rude of them to keep you hanging but there are a LOT of rude, crude people who have no regard for the time and efforts of others. They seem to be more the norm nowadays than people who can be trusted to stick to their word. Deals with handshakes went out with trusting bankers. It's just part of selling things.
12-28-2012 06:42 PM
rugosa
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

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Originally Posted by Kalina-Lona View Post
My thoughts and search are going to focus on the Catalina 27, there are a few in the Niagara area...1980-1984...well equipped and priced Ok.

What has been your experience with using Brokers? Knowledgeable individuals must be a bonus.
Built, serviced and sold boats for 22 years. Brokers are commission driven, and don't fool yourself - most are living from deal to deal. Most likely don't have a big bank account, unless their other half has a solid job, benefits & pension plan.

I recommend with confidence -
Ewan Campbell in Midland - Ewan Campbell has been selling sail since 1972. Starting with Grampian Marine in Oakville, moving to Port Credit to sell Tanzers, Hughes & Express, 2 years with CS Yachts & then to C&C Yachts until 1990, Ewan has helped new sailors learn the ropes and experienced sailors move up. Moving to Midland in 1990 to start a second career as a broker earned him the title of Georgian Bay's sailboat specialist. A veteran of European cruising, an Atlantic crossing & numerous Virgin Island deliveries he is also an active racer in Midland and in the annual Georgian Bay Regatta. You can reach Ewan at ewan@harrisellis.com or call 705-529-9433,

Pat Sturgeon in Port Credit Pat Sturgeon Yachts ,

and Don Finkle at RCR Yachts - Beneteau, Back Cove Yachts, Sabre Yachts, Used Boats, J Boats, Dealer for Sailboats and Power Boats, Parts, Services, Financing - you will have to import but RCR can arrange all that for you, probably at a better price than buying this side of the border

All 3 are long term, experienced, committed, reputable and customer driven.

A good broker should be able to pickup the phone, access other brokers and network shake the bushes to find you what you are looking for. Realtors call them pocket listings - they're not for sale, but could be.

As for the sunset clause, every written offer on everything should have an irrevocable deadline for response. 24 hours is realistic to get a response. Virtually everybody has email (or a dusty fax machine) so why allow more time. 48 or more leaves the door open for broker to get another buyer involved (yes, it seems to be a buyers market but competition happens when you least need it), potentially pushing the price up and locking out one of the buyers. Negotiating is like playing poker, those that play their cards close tend to be winners. Brokers like loyalty (we all do), so find one you are comfortable with, you feel you can trust, but don't lay all your cards on the table until the right time.

Good luck!
12-28-2012 06:08 PM
rugosa
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

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Originally Posted by primerate84 View Post
I found out several years ago that you treat all large purchases (houses, cars, boats) as a strictly business decision. Do not "fall in love" with anything until you own it. Take the emotion out of the deal and negotiate hard. Don't forget to stick to your principles and budget . . . . the broker tossed in half of his commission plus the winter rental. Don't listen to the brokers that will tell you your offer is "insulting". It's only insulting to them because their commission will be lower.
Agreed, except for the commission part. I'm a full time Realtor, I don't cut commission. Once there is money on the table one party will almost always get emotional and cement the deal. If I cut commission I wouldn't be able to afford to support my habits - sailing, travel, good food, decent clothes . . .
12-28-2012 05:45 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

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Originally Posted by MarkofSeaLife View Post
Oh, and don't forget the old Sunset clause!......
The art of negotiation is to always keep options open. Sunsetting your offer is a good idea, as long as it is just that. You get your options back. Expiration of the offer, not a suggestion that you won't buy or won't pay that price, if they don't accept it now. If you want to continue a negotiation, its important not to allow the counter-party to successfully call your bluff.
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