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01-06-2013 10:58 AM
MastUndSchotbruch
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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Originally Posted by killarney_sailor View Post
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A disquieting possibility - I am not at all convinced about the long term stability of South Africa. It has the largest income disparity in the world. The white and other well-off people are leaving still and taking their money. Unemployment is extremely, especially among the young. Political system does not work well and corruption is high. A youth leader in the ANC, the governing party, has called for occupations of white-owned farms -- this is exactly what caused the collapse go neighbouring Zimbabwe. It is not impossible to imagine South Afica becoming a place that you could not go and sailing around it from Mozambique or Madagascar in one go is a huge, risky undertaking, not for typical rtw boats and crews. No Red Sea and no South Afrca leaves the Northeast Passage.
I was in South Africa last year (including in Durban) and share your concern. I hope the country will pull through but it is by no means a given.
01-06-2013 08:57 AM
MarkofSeaLife
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Interesting viewpoint on the possible future in South Africa. Thanks for that opinion from the ground. I do hope it doesn't come to that.

In 2008 we were doing the Pacific and just about everyone we met coming accross was doing it on money from share portfolios.
We were actually at sea when the crisis occurred.
Of all those boats in the Pacific we never heard from most again. I don't know what happened to them, granted we were moving a bit faster than many, but I guess a lot returned home via Hawaii, or must have put their boats up, or for sale in the Pacific or New Zealand.

These days no one mentions they are making money from shares... It's all pensions and retirement funds, (401?? Some American superannuation?). So there's lots of people out who have the sort of background that gives those sorts of stipends.
In the future it will be shares again, no doubt.

Australians cruising long term often have a house rented out.
01-06-2013 08:31 AM
killarney_sailor
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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Originally Posted by smurphny View Post
I would not be surprised if the number of boats doing a circumnav has declined in the last ten years : 1. The sick economy 2. Threat of Terrorism 3. Increased Bureaucracy (owing much to #1). Some day I will decide to set off and do this but since the 2008 meltdown, cost is an issue as well as the uncertainty of the economy. Missing the Med because of the Red Sea problem is a factor and I can't help but think that clearing in everywhere must be more difficult.
As to your points, i am sure 2008 had an impact since a lot of financial plans went out the window. in our case we went sailing earlier since my wife was laid as a result of the crash (she worked for a major financial company in the NYC area.) don't hein terrorism has dad any impact except for closing off the Red Sea route. Bureacracy? Not sure what you are referring to.

My estimate of the number of boats circumnavigating is based solely on what we have seen at the choke point of South Africa. I think there might have been 40 more when the Red Sea route was open. I would imagine that the numbers will go up again when that is open again - my guess 2014 to 2015. At tha time I think that the numbers going the southern route will be lower, but higher than before, because people are slowly getting the message that this route is entirely doable. If you or your boat can't hack this route you probably should not be crossing oceans in the first place.

A disquieting possibility - I am not at all convinced about the long term stability of South Africa. It has the largest income disparity in the world. The white and other well-off people are leaving still and taking their money. Unemployment is extremely, especially among the young. Political system does not work well and corruption is high. A youth leader in the ANC, the governing party, has called for occupations of white-owned farms -- this is exactly what caused the collapse go neighbouring Zimbabwe. It is not impossible to imagine South Afica becoming a place that you could not go and sailing around it from Mozambique or Madagascar in one go is a huge, risky undertaking, not for typical rtw boats and crews. No Red Sea and no South Afrca leaves the Northeast Passage.
01-06-2013 12:37 AM
aeventyr60
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I returned to my boat after my 3rd trip of trekking /climbing in Nepal in November. Nice to back on the water after 38 days in the mountains. Good break from the boat and a physical challenge as well. I've thought about climbing Everest, It's doable, but it's allure to me has been dampened by the crass commercialism of the Nepali climbing organizations and the huge number of folks on the mountain itself. Lots of people being hauled up the mountain by the sherpa's. Can't imagine being with a group of unknown climbers on the same rope. I think a climb of Ama Dablan would be good enough. For now I'll just enjoy a few more quiet anchorages and a cold Singha.
01-06-2013 12:09 AM
smackdaddy
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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Originally Posted by barefootnavigator View Post
I'm hoping to visit Mt Everest on my circumnavigation and kill two birds with one stone
Get your boat up there and you will be a rockstar.
01-05-2013 08:19 PM
blt2ski
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Denali is a harder mtn to climb than Everest. I know a few that have had issues up there. IIRC 1-10 death to survival vs everest at 1-100 or some such major difference.

Been to the top of Rainier, 14410, that was fun enough for me, along with a few other local volcano's in the 10-12K range.

I can see where in some cases, where the higher up you go, that brain damage can occur. Especially those that try to free climb with out oxygen above 18-20K'. Rainier at 14K did not effect me. Did it over three days, so was able to acclimate easy enough. But still came down with a head ache. Might have been fluid, bright sun, or an anema issue for all I know.

Marty
01-05-2013 07:04 PM
MarkofSeaLife
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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Originally Posted by pdqaltair View Post
I like sea level too. Seems like that's where we evolved.
Well.... A few feet up in the trees.

It's an extraordinary article. The funniest bit was when they retested the subjects three years later none of them had been mountaineering since! Maybe they've all taken up sailing!
01-05-2013 06:45 PM
pdqaltair
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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Originally Posted by smurphny View Post
Wow. makes one think about even skiing at 12,000' up on the continental divide. I know it takes me a couple of days to get used to the thin air out in the Rockies. I guess we should just stay close to SEA LEVEL
I like sea level too. Seems like that's where we evolved.

I've been on numerous climbing and sking trips in the US west to around 12,000 feet. Yup, it's best to spend a week hiking and hanging around at 5000-7000 feet first. I think 12,000 feet, for those that acclimate well, probably carries zero risk as the blood stays well saturated. That's enough for me. The view is nice.

I feel the same way about diving. I've had friends get bent, going deep for the challenge of it I suppose. They were smart people, but something went wrong (bad BC, helping partner, strong current, thermocline). I enjoy snorkeling just fine.
01-05-2013 04:13 PM
smurphny
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Wow. makes one think about even skiing at 12,000' up on the continental divide. I know it takes me a couple of days to get used to the thin air out in the Rockies. I guess we should just stay close to SEA LEVEL
01-05-2013 03:54 PM
pdqaltair
Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Brain Damage

I've spend 30 years doing all sorts of climbing, all sorts of places. Some rock, ice, and mountaineering. I don't think I would consider Everest, judging from a few that have climbed it that I know, as enormously difficult and it was certainly well within my capability at my peak. I had the bucks to burn. I had one overwhelming reason not to even consider it:

"Neurologist Nicolás Fayed and his colleagues in Zaragoza, Spain, performed MRI brain scans on 35 climbers (12 professionals and 23 amateurs) who had returned from high-altitude expeditions, including 13 who had attempted Everest. They found brain damage in virtually every Everest climber but also in many climbers of lesser peaks who returned unaware that they had injured their brain. It seems that climbers of high mountains, whether weekend warrior or seasoned professional, face returning from the high peaks with a brain that is not in the same condition it was in beforehand."

Into Thin Air: Mountain Climbing Kills Brain Cells: Scientific American

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Difficulty? One requires extreme fitness and parents with high altitude genes, the other great mental fortitude over a period of years. For me, Everest would have been far easier. Different.
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