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01-09-2013 12:45 PM
bobmcgov
Re: Paradigm changing boats

An editorial from 1876 on Amaryllis, for your reading pleasure:
Quote:
A REVOLUTIONARY YACHT.
The defeated yachtsmen in yesterday's race are entitled to sincere commiseration. It is a well-established fact among Americans of a yachting turn of mind, that the American yacht embodies in her model all the fairy tales of science and the long results of time. It is supposed to be almost the perfect model for speed under canvas, and it is supposed that any improvement on it will be merely an extension of it. Yet yesterday all the yachts of this approved model were beaten ridiculously by a vessel of outlandish model and rig. She is literally 'outlandish,' for according to the description of her the nearest approach to her afloat is the famous 'flying proa' of the Ladrone Islands, of the speed of which wonderful stories are told. Nobody protested against entering her for the race yesterday, for the reason probably that everybody expected to beat her, but everybody seems to have objected to being beaten by her. Next time we advise our yachtsmen to ponder the words of MILTON, And think twice ere they venture to "Sport with Amaryllis in the shade."

In form the entry seems to have been perfectly fair, since the yachts were taxed only according to length, and were permitted as much extension in all other directions as their owners chose. But in fact, it is clearly unfair to race boats of radically different models, and built for entirely different purposes, against each other. The model of the Amaryllis evidently would not do for a sea going vessel, and nothing in the way of the practical 'improvement of naval architecture ' which yachts and yacht clubs are supposed to promote, can come out of a flying proa. But on the other hand, none of the boats engaged in the race with her are supposed to be good for much except to engage in such races. The tendency of yacht-racing is everywhere to-produce 'racing machines;' in ENGLAND by narrowing, deepening and ballasting yachts out of all reason, and here by making broad and shallow 'skimming-dishes.' In either case the result is not a good type of sea-going vessel. So the owners of racing-machines have really no reason to complain that somebody should invent a racing-machine to beat them. This the inventor of the Amaryllis has done. It behooves the owners of the large schooners, however, to take counsel together lest somebody should build an Amaryllis a hundred feet long and convert their crafts into useless lumber. It is a matter quite as important as keeping the America's Cup, and may demand quite as ingenious and elaborate devices as were put in force against Mr. ASHBURY.
Source: Anon. (Editorial). "A Revolutionary Yacht." The World, June 24, 1876, p. 4.

From this web page.

Remarkably clear-sighted and prescient.
01-09-2013 08:30 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Paradigm changing boats

Not sure at what point a paradigm shift occurs. Everyone credit Igor Sikorsky with the paradigm shift of the helicopter, but he was far from the first one to even fly one, let alone design one.
  • 400 BC, Chinese children playing with bamboo flying toys.
  • 1480 Leonardo da Vinci designed an "aerial screw" flying machine.
  • 1861 Gustave d'Amecourt demonstrated a small steam powered helicopter made of aluminum. It didn't get off the ground, but it was the first use of the word "helicopter".
  • 1877 Enrico Forlanini in a park in Milan flew an unmanned steam driven helicopter 13 meters in the air. It stayed aloft for 20 seconds.
  • 1878 in France Emmanuel Dieuaide flew a model more than 12 meters (40 feet) high for 20 seconds. It had two opposite spinning rotors and was powered through a hose from a boiler on the ground.
  • 1885 Thomas Edison in the US built a helicopter but it failed to take off, exploding and burning one of his workers.
  • 1901 JŠn Bahżľ, a Slovak, used an internal combustion engine (petrol) to fly a model helicopter that flew 0.5 meters (1.6 feet) above the ground. In 1905 his helicopter flew 1.5 km at a height of 4 meters (13 feet).
  • 1907, two French brothers, Jacques and Louis Brequet developed the Gyroplane No.1. The plane lifted its pilot up into the air about two feet (0.6 m) for a minute but it needed two people on the ground to keep it balanced.
  • 1907 French inventor Paul Cornu designed and built a Cornu helicopter that lifted its inventor to 1 foot (0.3 m) and remained aloft for 20 seconds. This machine was later abandoned.
  • 1908, Thomas Edison patented his own design for a gasoline powered helicopter with box kites attached to a mast, but it never flew.
  • 1912 William J. Purvis and Charles A. Wilson applied for and received a patent for a "Flying Machine" of the helicopter type on June 4, 1912. With Purvis at the controls it flew 20 feet into the air.
  • 1924, in Argentine Raķl Pateras Pescara's helicopter No. 3 could fly for up ten minutes. He also developed the idea of tilting the engine and blades to make the machine fly forward.
  • 1927 Abert Gillis von Baumhauer received the first patent for a true working helicopter.
  • 1937 The German Fw 61 broke all the helicopter world records and several of the aircraft flew during World War 2.
  • In the US LePage had the patent rights for the German Fw 61, and he built the XR-1.
  • Igor Sikorsky was competing with LePage to build the first military helicopter. Sigorsky developed a single small rotor on the tail to keep his VS-300 steady. His later model, the R-4, got military orders for over 400 before the end of the World War 2.
  • At the same time Arthur Young was working for Bell Aircraft to eventually develop the Bell 47, the most popular civilian model for the next 30 years.

I think the old adage, "history is written by the victor" was never more true.
01-09-2013 01:08 AM
bljones
Re: Paradigm changing boats

Gary Hoyt's Freedom boats. Without his work on unstayed rigs and carbon fiber masts, there would be no Nonsuch line and no Hunter Visions.
01-09-2013 01:03 AM
bljones
Re: Paradigm changing boats

Bluenose- shifted the paradigm that workboats can't be fast and beautiful in addition to useful.
has anyone mentioned the Hobie cat yet? It changed the world and made cats a viable and enviable choice for sportboaters.
01-09-2013 12:04 AM
SloopJonB
Re: Paradigm changing boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobmcgov View Post
Banque Pop just rounded the world in 45.5 days -- two weeks faster than any powered vessel;
I can remember when 200 days was broken!

Six weeks to sail around the world - incredible.
01-08-2013 11:57 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Paradigm changing boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by killarney_sailor View Post
Is my take on this wrong, to be paradigm-shifting doesn't the design have to have a profound impact on what follows in sailing? Herreshof's catamaran was quite remarkable, but sailing in the decades that followed was not materially affected by it (perhaps sadly). On the other hand, the Westsail 32 opened the door that allows me to be sitting on my boat in South Africa, even though I have never had any interest in buying one. It shifted the paradigm. The Cal 40 made downwind sailing faster and that is useful, but not all that many boats followed that lead. Perhaps we need more categories of impact?
Overall you are exactly right - that's what a paradigm (hate that word!) shift is.

I think you're wrong about the Cal 40 though - it had a very big effect on the racers and later, cruisers that followed - pure fin keel and balanced spade rudder along with greatly reduced displacement. It opened peoples eyes to what was possible in a seaworthy boat. It did a lot more than sail downhill fast.
01-08-2013 10:54 PM
PCP
Re: Paradigm changing boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartsContent View Post
Wow ... ok - should have seen that coming.

A quick search on Yachtworld showed $160-$290 US for a Macgregor 65.

Remember, we are taking Paradigm changing, not just list of very expensive boats.

Macgregor is paradigm changing as Roger did it at an affordable price opening the sport to many that would not be able to participate. Add easily trailerable and he's had a huge impact on sailing - more than most.
Ok! I was not saying that the MacGregor 65 is not a great boat neither that it did not deserve a place on the thread, just made a small observation regarding not being the fastest production boat to date.

Regards

Paulo
01-08-2013 10:40 PM
Faster
Re: Paradigm changing boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartsContent View Post

A quick search on Yachtworld showed $160-$290 US for a Macgregor 65.

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Cool.... a 65 footer for less than $300 !! I'll take two (you pay the moorage unless it's based on beam )
01-08-2013 10:24 PM
HeartsContent
Re: Paradigm changing boats

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Originally Posted by PCP View Post
You have made an absolute statesmen: "also believe the Macgregor 65 is the fastest production monohull to date".

no price range was mentioned and no size was mentioned.

Paulo
Wow ... ok - should have seen that coming.

A quick search on Yachtworld showed $160-$290 US for a Macgregor 65.

Remember, we are taking Paradigm changing, not just list of very expensive boats.

Macgregor is paradigm changing as Roger did it at an affordable price opening the sport to many that would not be able to participate. Add easily trailerable and he's had a huge impact on sailing - more than most.
01-07-2013 02:02 PM
bobmcgov
Re: Paradigm changing boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by killarney_sailor View Post
Is my take on this wrong, to be paradigm-shifting doesn't the design have to have a profound impact on what follows in sailing? Herreshof's catamaran was quite remarkable, but sailing in the decades that followed was not materially affected by it (perhaps sadly). On the other hand, the Westsail 32 opened the door that allows me to be sitting on my boat in South Africa, even though I have never had any interest in buying one. It shifted the paradigm. The Cal 40 made downwind sailing faster and that is useful, but not all that many boats followed that lead. Perhaps we need more categories of impact?
That's why I said Amaryllis might have changed sailing, but didn't. To be fair to the people who condemned the design in 1876, there is no way that boat could have survived a beating, not with spruce spars for the bowsprit and crossbeams. The forces on big multis are insane. It wasn't until aircraft alloys and carbon fiber that Herreshoff's vision could be implemented with any sort of margin, almost a hundred years later. Even then, those boats can fail catastrophically -- Alan Colas was lost racing PD4; and many big cats and tris continue to struggle with the engineering demands that come with their speeds & form stability.

Still, the paradigm has shifted. Banque Pop just rounded the world in 45.5 days -- two weeks faster than any powered vessel; maxi tris are the boat of choice for smashing records, and they all look rather likePD4. And apparently, the America's Cup is now the provence of bleeding-edge mutihulls. Look at the AC45s, then look again at Amaryllis. Nat's ideas were not a blind alley but just had to wait until materials science made them feasible.
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