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11-22-2013 10:38 AM
Re: 45' + blue water cruiser

Note the vote for Valiant and PSC so gonna put in a strong vote for an Outbound 46 or if you are flush a 52. They made 53 of the 46 hulls so far and all are still floating(grin). All are being used or have been used as blue water passage makers. For present we are using ours as a part time live aboard but hopefully soon will spit up the anchor. Given the quality the price is quite moderate and the after delivery service excellent. Beyond the basics you can customized it any where you wish.
11-22-2013 07:42 AM
Re: 45' + blue water cruiser

Just a question to everyone reading this thread, why have Valiant, Pacific Seacraft yachts been excluded. After 1985 the blister issue with the valiants was sorted and they where made right up to 2011. They are a blue water boat and setup perfectly for singlehanded sailing and have 2 to 3 people on board. Also I like the look of Pacific Seacraft yachts, I am planning on getting a Valiant 42 or a Pacific Seacraft 40 to 44. I am looking at doing the same sort of sailing as you mentioned. And with the dingy issue porta boat are a option. Very light and folds away to nothing. But when will a boat manufacture incorporate a jetski into the boat, or allow one to be loaded on deck. (weight could be a bit high)
Cheers Bubbles
01-08-2013 10:18 PM
ryusui That's the reason I really liked the oceanis 54 but they don't make them anymore. I really like the set up of twin nav stations ( one at each helm) but I don't like the arch or the iron keel. Also im a little concerned about the quality of it compared to the catalina 445. The extra 11 feet would be great and the layout underneath is amazing but it all boils down to quality. I know Catalina is good I have a lot of friends who race them and you can find them everywhere and most people have nothing bad to say about them but I hear a lot of negative about beneteau. So it makes me a little uneasy. However as you suggested the first series is nice and I like the layout of the first 50. I am planning on attending the Miami boat show next month and kemah boat show so I hope to put evrrything at rest after I get on all the boats and do more research. As always I appreciate any ideas and or thoughts.
01-08-2013 03:18 PM
Re: 45' + blue water cruiser

Originally Posted by Faster View Post
Nice problem to have!!

FWIW at last year's boat show we much preferred the C445 over the Bene.... but we weren't looking at the 55... big difference in that 10 feet!!
Sad to say especially as a Bendy owner, but I could not recommend anything they have built since around 2008; anything after the three numbered Oceanis Models; 473, 393, etc. They MIGHT be coming back around to some better looking lines, but now they have started with the Fiber Glass Arch. It does not look "Too" bad on the larger models, but I hate the look on the Mid-Forty Footers. It reminds me of those spoilers you see on Power Boats.

The First Series is an entirely different animal.
01-08-2013 02:20 PM
ryusui Faster I agree I don't care much for the layout of the beneteau 41 or 45. Ive looked at them both. Im not concerned about money really, but I figure im going from a sc21 raceboat to a 44 ft cruising boat is a big step the systems are very different, and not wanting to drop a lot of money right away. Ive also sailed larger boats bur that was day sailing much different than what im planning. I will give the tartans a look. Im open to anyboat but so far the c445 seems to best fit my general uses and could probley race her also.
01-08-2013 12:16 PM
Re: 45' + blue water cruiser

With the amount of money you seem willing to spend on a 445 and if fit and finish are high on your priority list, I would think you should be taking a close look at the Tartans. You may have to shorten the LOA a bit to fit your budget, Than again I don't know your budget, but a T4000 is a beautiful boat and would be a real head turner.
I know, it is sacrilegious to even mention the word Tartan around here, but they seem to have put all the nastiness of the past behind them.
Talk with some recent owners and see what they have to say. I see plenty of new Tartans on our docks because the local dealer is located on our premises. Every time a new owner takes delivery of one, they always seem to end up as dock neighbors.
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01-08-2013 12:12 PM
Re: 45' + blue water cruiser

Originally Posted by ryusui View Post
..... I'm debating between the Catalina 445 and the beneteau oceanis 55. .....
Nice problem to have!!

FWIW at last year's boat show we much preferred the C445 over the Bene.... but we weren't looking at the 55... big difference in that 10 feet!!
01-08-2013 12:01 PM
ryusui Well the reason I asked is ive decided that im going to go with a cheaper and simpler boat, since this will be my first large boat that ive owned. Im debating between the Catalina 445 and the beneteau oceanis 55. I love the amel but I feel i'll get more out of doing everything manually vs with a push button. Right now my gut is leaning towards the 445 and it has a lead keel. I like the oceanis 55 but I have some reservations about the quality. It is much fancier than the catalina but its price per foot is way less. Im not sure if the quality is as good. Also I do like the layout of the 445 a lot, also my broker is going to make some modification to her so that she fits what im wanting to do. I never thought finding a good boat would be so hard... but this decision is from yalls suggestions as well. So I thank all of you for your imput and please keep it coming.
01-07-2013 09:17 PM
Re: 45' + blue water cruiser

Plenty of discussion on that topic elsewhere on this forum.

Lead is heavier, so ballast can be smaller/more compact.. lead is more forgiving (softer) in a grounding situation but some say that can actually transfer more forces to hull structures.

Many of todays bulbed/torpedo keels couldn't be made purely of lead, lead lacks structural rigidity on its own. Usually they are steel/iron fins with lead bulbs attached.

Iron keels can be a PITA if not properly sealed.. each haulout is a rust scraping and repainting nightmare.. if properly sealed it's no different than lead in that regard as long as you don't compromise the membrane.

Keel bolts can be more easily changed/renewed in most iron keels, very difficult to do in lead keels as they are almost always "J" bolts cast into the keel when it's poured.

Personally I wouldn't let that be a deal breaker (esp with today's newer boats) but for many an iron keel would be.. (We've owned 5 boats so far over the past 30 years, 3 were iron, two lead)
01-07-2013 09:05 PM
ryusui Ok so I have one last question. What is the difference between lead keels and iron keels? It seems that's most of the high end boats use lead and the majority of the more price conscious boats use iron. Besides the cost what are the advantages to either if any and what are the disadvantages if any?
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