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01-15-2013 12:36 PM
bobmcgov
Re: San Juan 24

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Originally Posted by jcwhite View Post
He's also got the outboard that he was using on it - a 2006 4 horse 4 stroke that he'll add on for $800. I feel like that sort of engine would really only be useful for entering and exiting a marina, not for helping out if I get caught by weather or some other emergency OSM.... As noted, it's already on the high side for that boat, and if there are too many add-ons it'll push it out of my ball-park.
Not having seen the boat, I think the package price is higher than I would pay for a 35 yr old San Juan 24. I didn't realize the outboard motor was not included. $4800 for boat & motor, add at least $1500-2000 for a road-worthy trailer, $700 for hauling & bottom paint.... You are likely in for seven grand before you sail it. You can do far, far better for that kind of money.

BTW, a 4hp should push the SJ24 to hull speed in normal conditions. While it won't drive the boat into 10' breaking waves and an F8 gale ... well, the outboard's HP rating is the least of your problems if you find yourself facing those conditions. My personal attitude is we should never think of a marine engine, especially an outboard, as a lifesaving device. Their performance limitations and unreliability make them an untrustworthy crutch. Also, the narrow stern on the SJ21 and 24 means they really don't like weight back there -- wrecks speed and handling. That's a major reason we use a trolling motor on our 21.
01-14-2013 12:51 AM
aeventyr60
Re: San Juan 24

Ahoy JC,

I had a San Juan 23 in Seattle many years ago. While not the performance of the SJ 24, it was trailerable and had a swing keel. I think I paid 3500 bucks for it. I explored the San Juan and the Gulf islands. Never went outside the Srtaits or the West Coast of Vancouver Island. Think there is a good owners group for the Sj 24. Happy sailing!
01-14-2013 12:34 AM
blt2ski
Re: San Juan 24

Painting it self, it if is a simple paint job, should be doable for less than $200. I've done my 30' boat for that the last two time, including finishing today. Literally, a gallon of paint at 100-200 a gal depending upon brand, a roller and paint bin.
If you have to haul, you will have potentially another 300-400 max for the haul out and some yard time/fees too.
While it is out, you may need to replace some zincs if this boat has any, probably less than $20-30....I would swag you have none frankly. If you had an inboard, or an iron keel or other parts, then yes. I do not believe an S 24 has any of these.
If you are getting a haul out for the survey, assuming you are getting one, then reality is, all you may have for extra's is the day cost for the yard, and paint etc when getting down.

marty
01-14-2013 12:14 AM
jcwhite
Re: San Juan 24

Update: the seller sent me a stack of pictures from the inside, and it looks very well maintained. Like, surprisingly well maintained (and I'm reasonably sure that they're just some pictures that his fishing buddy had around, not ones that he's carefully made perfect by hiding all the faults). One thing - it doesn't look like there's a head in it at all. Is that standard, or might there be one under the V-berth? I like how open the boat is without having a full plywood wall between the V and the main cabin, but having no head at all would sure make overnight trips a bit more rustic.

He's also got the outboard that he was using on it - a 2006 4 horse 4 stroke that he'll add on for $800. I feel like that sort of engine would really only be useful for entering and exiting a marina, not for helping out if I get caught by weather or some other emergency OSM.

Finally, he's said himself that it's due for a bottom painting. On a 24 footer, if I do the brushing/spraying/whatever myself, how much should I expect that to set me back? Is that something that would add a couple hundred dollars and a few dry weekends to the boat, or would that be $500+ when all is said and done? As noted, it's already on the high side for that boat, and if there are too many add-ons it'll push it out of my ball-park.
01-11-2013 03:05 PM
Faster
Re: San Juan 24

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It's a tricky thing. I'd not want to sail the West Coast of the Island on a swing-keel boat. Not personally. But a full-keeler certainly complicates overland transport. Still, people do it all the time, so it's not untenable.
The beauty of the Barkley Sound and other areas on the West Coast that are road-accessible is that you have quite the playground of pristine, sheltered waters 'off the beaten track' Getting there on your own bottom has its own challenges and adventures, and it's not something many will want to do in a smallish boat (but do-able just the same... with the right weather window anything's possible...) Of course of the weather window proves shortlived you can definitely have a few OSMs....

Some of these access roads are less than optimum, and towing a high clearance keelboat might have its challenges there too...
01-11-2013 01:39 PM
SloopJonB
Re: San Juan 24

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Sloop: IIRC, the SJ24 has a deck-stepped mast with hinged base plate, right? It's a fairly lightweight spar & only 3-4' longer than the rig on our SJ21, which I can walk up with one hand. It's usually ten minutes from hitting the parking lot to mast-up on our boat, Then another twenty minutes sorting out the lines.
I don't know about the hinged step on the 24 but the 21 was designed as a trailerable, the 24 was not.

I owned a Kirby 1/4 Ton for years - it was a 26' development of the 24. I would not have considered dropping the 33' rig without a crane.

The bottom line here is that the 24, while being transportable without heavy equipment like a semi to haul it, is NOT a trailerable. It needs to be regarded as a "big boat" in that regard.
01-11-2013 01:22 PM
bobmcgov
Re: San Juan 24

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You'd have to be very good to put an SJ24 on a trailer in an hour or two. It would take that long to get the rig down if you didn't have a crane.
Sloop: IIRC, the SJ24 has a deck-stepped mast with hinged base plate, right? It's a fairly lightweight spar & only 3-4' longer than the rig on our SJ21, which I can walk up with one hand. It's usually ten minutes from hitting the parking lot to mast-up on our boat, Then another twenty minutes sorting out the lines.

The OP's real difficulty is going to be finding an affordable trailer and ramp-launching something like this:



But as I understand it, the PNW has lots of deep-draft boats: decent ramps, high tides, and an unusual number of owner-operated boat hoists. Tho probably not on the West side of the Island. The OP could maybe sail the boat there? A long sail, but an interesting one. There are also a few transporters with hydraulic trailers than can haul across the Island, including this guy:

Keel Hauling
Mostly About Boats: BOAT RESCUE PART 2: THE MOVE.

Don't be too horrified when you see the price estimate, tho -- professional hauling is not a thing I'd care to do seasonally! & A crane operator on site will ding you $500/hr.

It's a tricky thing. I'd not want to sail the West Coast of the Island on a swing-keel boat. Not personally. But a full-keeler certainly complicates overland transport. Still, people do it all the time, so it's not untenable.
01-11-2013 01:22 PM
Alex W
Re: San Juan 24

$4000 for a 40 year old San Juan 24 with no motor seems like it is likely on the high side of the pricing. If the boat has been well maintained then it's a fair price, but if it is like most used sailboats and has been neglected for the last 5 years then it seems like a lot. Maybe prices are lower in Seattle than Victoria though.

In Seattle it just cost me $250 to have my mast unstepped and restepped by crane. Haul out fees also run about the same. Those prices are pretty consistent for our local yards, maybe that is cheaper up there.

The club racers who keep their boats out of the water seem to get some sort of annual deal with the marinas to have access to the crane. I've not looked into that personally.
01-11-2013 01:15 PM
Faster
Re: San Juan 24

Launch ramping boats with 4 feet draft is tricky.. you need: a particularly steep ramp, a trailer tongue extension, (often both) or a submersible vehicle

In BC many of the formerly 'public' docks have hoists, if you can rig the boat for a single point hoist (ie off the keel, not using slings or spreader bars) that's a possibility, but you'd need a pretty low slung trailer for that to work, and inevitably you'd come across a hoist that's not high enough. Something lighter like a Santana 20 or a Martin 242 would be easier to deal with on these smaller hoists. As Denver indicated, rental trailers for this kind of keelboat tow are virtually non-existent - unless you can find an owner looking for a few extra bucks.

I agree that if trailering is going to be a regular thing you need to get a boat set up for it, for ease of launching and ease of rigging. There are plenty of proven trailer-sailer designs out there.. just not so very many in our area because that's not the normal pattern of use around here, like it is in 'lake country'...
01-11-2013 11:38 AM
denverd0n
Re: San Juan 24

Good luck finding a trailer to rent that would be suitable! And whether you can launch or load the boat has a lot to do with the ramps available. It may not be possible to find a ramp in your area where a boat like that can be trailer-launched.

I would say that you need to decide whether you are going to keep the boat in one place (a dock, mooring, or anchored), or trailer it around. If the former, then don't plan on moving it around. If the latter, then get a boat that has a trailer and that was designed for ramp launching.

And, by the way, I used to own a San Juan 23, so I'm a fan of these boats. It was a great boat for my use. I actually lived on it for about 4 months at one point, did a lot of weekend and week-long trips around Florida, and once took it across to the Bahamas. But my boat had a shallow draft and centerboard. It had a displacement of about 2,700 lbs. I pulled it with a 4WD, half-ton pickup, with a 351ci V8 engine. Without the V8 and 4WD, I would have to have been a lot choosier about which ramps I used for launching and retrieving.
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