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01-20-2013 11:54 PM
zz4gta
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

Good onya. 3 hours to clear vinyl off old lifelines doesn't sound like fun. You could've had the new stuff installed in that amount of time.

Couple things,
1) make sure your bury is 72x the diameter of the line. That's 13.5" for the 3/16" and 9" for the 1/8" stuff.
2) be sure to do a proper gradual taper. The splice will first fail at the end of the taper.

Gates are nice, but unless there's a double set of lifelines, I usually just lash in place and step over the line.
01-20-2013 06:54 PM
ltgoshen
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

I ordered thimble for splicing to the bow. and Rope from Go2Marine. So here is how it was paid out.

The rope I got for
$o.46 for the 1/8 66 feet
then $0.93 for the 3/16 Dyneema
4 Thimbles
For a total at Go2Marine with shipping $86.49
complete new lifelines $120.00
$120.00 bucks for the 2 with 2 day air shippin 206.49

I will do the splicing my self. There are some good utube examples. Iam just not sure how to get it real tight onto the thimbles.
Thanks for all of your advice It helps NOOBS like make better choices.
I will have photos in a few days.
Here is a short video of me there today at the boat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0xX4UHbwtY
01-20-2013 06:45 PM
ltgoshen
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

Thanks, I just ordered 2 for the new am-steel when it comes in.
01-20-2013 01:54 PM
Stumble
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

Itgoshen,

Check out Johnson "Over Center" Pelican Gate Hook with Eye - Fittings for Dyneema Lifelines - Lifeline Hardware - Rigging, Spar & Lifeline Hdwr - Downwind Marine
01-20-2013 02:03 AM
davidpm
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

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Originally Posted by MarkSF View Post
I agree with all those points but I have brand new, uncoated, s/s wire. How would dyneema be SAFER?
If you have someone in the water one really big problem is getting them over the lifelines. With fiber life lines if you have a very very sharp knife you can cut them.

If you have a hand on someone overboard getting them to the rail might be possible but lifting them another 30 inches over the lifeline is not likely.

If you have new wire lines it is unlikely that you would replace them for that reason but the above reason has been sighted as a safety feature.
And the same is true in an dis-masting. All fiber standing rigging and lifeline would be much easier to clear and could save lives and a boat in some scenarios.
01-20-2013 01:18 AM
ltgoshen
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

I placed an order today with Go2Marine for 66 feet of amsteel X 3/16 at $0.95 then I ordered 66 Feet of Amsteel Blue X 1/8 at $0.46 I need to find the pelocan hooks with splice ends. I also ordered the 4 thinbles total so far $86.49 Anybody know were to get 2 pelican hooks with splice ends on them let me k now.

Thanx
01-17-2013 03:57 AM
Stumble
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ltgoshen View Post
I would love to see the push pulpit connection? there is a welded ring on mine. Do you loop it and splice it there ? or add something. How do you connect the thimble to the welded ring on the pulpet?
Sorry i'm new at this
For the bow end I splice an eye then ring hitch the eye around the bow pulpit with the tail passing thru the welded ring. http://nodulous.files.wordpress.com/...-abok-1859.jpg

Then rove it back thru the stantions. At the end toss in another eye splice around the thimble. Then use a lashing to connect the lifeline to the stantion.
01-16-2013 04:58 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

I use stainless 1 1/4 inch OD boiler tubing, 34 inches off the decks. Once you have cruised with solid lifelines you will never go back to wire.On a fibreglass boat it drastically reduces the loads and movement on the stanchion bases, drastically reducing the chances of leaks there.
For the lower lifeline nothing beats 1/4 inch 1x19 stainless rigging wire.
01-16-2013 02:55 PM
chef2sail
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ltgoshen View Post
The wire is not the expensive part...its the fittings. The barrels are the way to pull in the slack as the wire stretches. You have 4.....2 in the two long rubs, both attached at the welded rings with the toggle at the bow, and 2 in the stern attached to the welded ringsdon the stern tubbing.

Also in the winter i let them go slack.
01-16-2013 02:02 PM
tap
Re: Life Lines? West marine and crimp?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ltgoshen View Post
When I'm done there will be no coating left.
There is no cracks in the fittings at all . This stuff is 3/16 & X 19 SS wire. If it looks good with no cracks can it not be reused? It sounds like the conciseness is to throw it out whither its good or not? The ends will be cut off for the installation of turn buckles and a complete inspection of the wire at the fitting can be done.
If you are going to cut the ends off and get new fittings, the wire in the middle is probably fine if you don't see any rust.

But the synthetic stuff is more comfortable than the wire. 3/16" amsteel blue is $0.55 a foot at lfsmarine. You don't need to use turnbuckles with the dyneema line. Splice the line directly to the bow pulpit and then tension it at the stern pulpit with a lashing.
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