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01-25-2013 07:21 PM
Seaduction
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

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Originally Posted by Mirari View Post
So if Florida requires a registration/fee...........then what is to stop every state on the east coast from charging you a fee for passing thru their waters? Sounds like more and more of our lives are being taxed and regulated. Sailing use to be one of the last great freedoms. BTW, the waterways as I understand it are Federal waterways, not state. I believe it is the Federal government that dredges the waterways, not the state.
Well...we do have to pay tolls on 'toll roads' when we drive... and Florida has lots of toll booths. Maybe, just maybe, one day we will have to give the bridge tender a credit card just for him to open the draw... at each end of the state. The Army Corps of Engineers maintains the ICW but the state owns the waters within its borders. At least, that's my understanding of how it works.
01-25-2013 06:24 PM
Seaduction
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

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Originally Posted by captbillc View Post
how about cars on florida highways ? i was going to drive there in april. will they be giving you a fine for being on their roads without a permit next ? i guess they don't want tourists.
Yes, they will give you a fine if you do not have a valid current registration from another state or country. I really believe that Florida does like tourists coming here. The state does a pretty good job of highway maintenance and beautification of highways and byways. The state contends with a large number of homeless people, undocumented immigrants and derelict boats, among the usual list of state-supported benefits. For tourists staying in the coastal areas, they can take comfort in the fact that Florida has very rigid building codes and contractor licensing requirements...the result being secure hotel and hi-rise structures. (Of course, other states do also.)
So come on down in April and enjoy the weather. Some of the beaches are terribly eroded from the passage of Hurricane Sandy and Uncle Sam has declined to provide the beachside communities any assistance for renourishment of beaches.
01-25-2013 06:19 PM
Mirari
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

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Originally Posted by marianclaire View Post
Found this
IS A DOCUMENTED VESSEL EXEMPT FROM STATE JURISDICTION?

No, all documented vessels must comply with the laws of the state in which they are operated. The vessel's document must be shown to state law enforcement personnel upon their demand. States may require documented vessels to be registered (but not numbered) and to display state decals showing that they have complied with state requirements.
USCG National Vessel Documentation Center, FAQ Page
FWIW. Dan S/V Marian Claire
Edit: How much is the antique rate?
So if Florida requires a registration/fee...........then what is to stop every state on the east coast from charging you a fee for passing thru their waters? Sounds like more and more of our lives are being taxed and regulated. Sailing use to be one of the last great freedoms. BTW, the waterways as I understand it are Federal waterways, not state. I believe it is the Federal government that dredges the waterways, not the state.
01-25-2013 05:05 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

Curious, in the great socialist state of Canada we have no such rules.

It IS very difficult to find a place to live aboard except at anchor though. The pols everywhere there are marinas seem to think that liveaboards will turn things into an old time picture of Kowloon harbour.
01-25-2013 04:36 PM
HeartsContent
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

So, this is what freedom feels like - in triplicate!
01-25-2013 04:12 PM
hellosailor
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

Of course the trick there, is how to keep it in some other venue for 6+ months, without being taxed in that other venue. And they do say one other venue, not just hopping around.

Marian, it seems that antique vessels only pay a $2.25 service fee.

See, if you've come from money, and had money, and still have grandfather's yacht...you get a break. Grandfather made sure it would work that way, to keep the hoi poloi and new rich at some disadvantage.

Catch-22, you may not be able to finance it or insure it if you're just trying to buy an old boat, but at least the registration is cheap. Hmmmm.
01-25-2013 04:02 PM
marianclaire
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

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Originally Posted by Mirari View Post
I think there may be some language in the federal documentation policy that may prohibit what Florida is doing.
Found this
IS A DOCUMENTED VESSEL EXEMPT FROM STATE JURISDICTION?

No, all documented vessels must comply with the laws of the state in which they are operated. The vessel's document must be shown to state law enforcement personnel upon their demand. States may require documented vessels to be registered (but not numbered) and to display state decals showing that they have complied with state requirements.
USCG National Vessel Documentation Center, FAQ Page
FWIW. Dan S/V Marian Claire
Edit: How much is the antique rate?
01-25-2013 03:51 PM
TomMaine
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

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Originally Posted by denverd0n View Post
Not true. The use tax in Florida ONLY applies to items that are purchased "for use" in this state. If you didn't buy your boat "for use" in Florida then you DO NOT have to pay any use tax to the state of Florida when you bring it here.

How does the law determine if you bought it "for use" in the state of Florida? Florida statute 212.06, 8(b) says, "it shall be presumed that tangible personal property used in another state, territory of the United States, or the District of Columbia for 6 months or longer before being imported into this state was not purchased for use in this state."

So, if you buy your boat outside of Florida, and use it in any other state for more than 6 months, you DO NOT pay Florida sales or use tax when you eventually bring it here.

If you don't believe me, read the law for yourself...
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
That's interesting. Here in Maine, we all pay an excise tax, documented boat(you're supposed to anyway) or not. I register my boat which is cheap, 15 or 20 bucks I think. But the excise tax even for a 52 year old boat makes the whole legal process around 100 or more(I don't recall the exact). Same for cars. That excise tax alone is one reason to keep old cars in Maine.

That makes Florida's registration rate, 85.00 for my boat, less cost than I pay here.
01-25-2013 03:45 PM
hellosailor
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

There is no 90 day pass. Someone already posted the annual registration costs, assuming you boat isn't old enough to get the antique rate (+30 years with original engine type).

But registration is just part of the cost, and no one can tell you if or how much your insurer may want because you've "moved" to Florida. If you are in a state for more than 30 days, some insurers want to know about it. "Don't ask don't tell" usually applies, but sometimes that can boomerang on you.
01-25-2013 03:38 PM
mad_machine
Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

all this talk about the tax... has anybody even posted up how mucn a 90 day "pass" costs if you want to stay more than 3 months?
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