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01-25-2013 10:24 PM
jimgo
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

I don't have my C25 any more, but that's an excellent question. That's why I liked this platform:


Now, realistically, on the C25 I had an outboard, too, so I could only have hung one of the little platorms on the port side, but still, it's a neat solution.
01-25-2013 10:12 PM
SailingJackson
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Generically it's a fine idea, except the C25 has a transom hung rudder. Where does your rudder go when the back of the boat is filled with those beautiful steps?

GJ
01-25-2013 03:24 PM
jimgo
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Alex,
The links to the folding platforms are in post number 14 in this thread , which you should be able to see here.

But here's a picture of what I meant:


I like your idea of passing the stuff down to your dive buddy. Getting out, when you're tired, could be more exciting. And I like the Pearson's rail and ladder; that's much better than the C25's. I'm 99% sure the 25's rail actually leaned out, which made climbing over it very awkward. The cleat location made it really hard for my kids to climb under it, too. So, we're looking forward to a new solution!

Thanks for the pointer to Catalina Direct for the ladder "steps".
01-25-2013 02:25 PM
Alex W
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Sorry, I missed the folding ones. I actually went back through and still didn't see them.

To answer something else that came up: I did snorkel off of my C-25 ladder a few times. I used fins with booties and put the fins and mask around one arm as I went down the ladder. Put on the fins and mask in the water. To climb out I did the reverse and tossed the gear into the cockpit before climbing in. The booties make the C-25 stairs less annoying.

This would be a lot harder with scuba, but not so bad if your dive buddy got in the water first with no gear, you passed gear down, and then got into the water and put it on. A pain compared to a dive boat, but not that bad.

The other style of ladder that I showed would make it a lot easier since you don't need to haul stuff up and over the stern pulpit. The ladder on my Pearson is also much wider than the C-25 ladder (I'd guess another 6").
01-25-2013 02:08 PM
jimgo
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

I had that same thought, Alex. Did you see the folding platforms?
01-25-2013 01:41 PM
Alex W
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

The C-25 ladder is bad, but most sailboats have a transom mounted ladder that solve your main two concerns. This is what the ladder looks like on my Pearson 28-2:


That isn't my boat, but it's the same model. I've seen the same design on dozens of other boats.

The latter has real treads (an optional upgrade on the Catalina 25, Catalina Direct sells the treads) which makes it easier to walk up. When the ladder is swung down it opens up the stern pulpit so that you don't need to go over or under it. It's not as easy as a sugar scoop, but it's a lot easier than the C-25.

One downside of the addition that you are suggesting is that it increases LOA and thus moorage fees. That addition would cost me $80/mo since it would push me from a 30' slip (my boat is 29'6" long from the front edge of the bow pulpit to the tail edge of the transom) into a 34' slip.
01-25-2013 01:38 PM
denverd0n
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

The only issue, if the platform is made very large, is the effects of following seas crashing down on it. Keep it fairly small, allow the water to flow through, and it's no problem. The one in the picture looks perfect.

Just don't get carried away. I've seen boats with what looked like a back patio attached to their transoms. Not only abominable looking, but dangerous in a following sea.
01-25-2013 01:33 PM
jimgo
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Thanks Tom! In researching what you meant by "old boarding ladder hitches" I came across this thread, and at the bottom is another great example of a side boarding ladder:

Swim ladder- anybody have a great one?

The problem with ladders is that they don't give a wide platform, and I would love to snorkel/scuba off of my boat at some point. Though, as a practical matter, that won't probably happen until my kids are about 7 years older than they are now, and I may be on another boat at that point!
01-25-2013 12:59 PM
TomMaine
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

I needed a better swim ladder but in that we sail in Maine mostly, our swim ladder gets infrequent use. The best ones were high cost for our use, so I decided to build a simple something I could knock down and leave in the lockers for a few days a year.

I sort of ended up with this as a mock up, I thought, but I think it's permanent now. I used a set of old boarding ladder hitches mounted on the hull to affix the new one. I got a lot of laughs on it in the design stage from my family as put it together at home. "Ha ha...dad,...you can't be serious,..."

But I put this on the side of the boat after arriving in Cuttyhunk from Maine a few years ago, and everybody stopped laughing.

For the first time, they had a nice wide foot sized step, well below the water, for an easy use climb. The hand holds take all the work out of easily stepping up. The dinghy fender material attached to the rails just below the carriage bolt head that slide into the old mounts, stabilizes the ladder against the hull.

Your weight pins it plumb and tight to the hull. The problem now, people like to linger and hang out on it so there can be a line to board....

Now the first thing I have to do when the water is warm, is pop the rails into the gains cut in the treads, and tighten the wing nuts(it stows to a small package). Just pine, some hardware, paint.

They don't laugh at my ladder anymore,...
01-25-2013 11:21 AM
jimgo
Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Knuterikt,
Thanks! I especially like the one with the rudder cut-out! Very cool!


Zeehag, I can appreciate your concern, but I expect my boat to spend most of her time at the dock, where everyone will be easy able to climb aboard anyway.
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