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01-28-2013 11:06 PM
steve77
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Originally Posted by PorFin View Post
Steve,

+1 for making any decisions only after you've had a chance to take the winches apart to see what you are actually facing. Of all the machines on a boat, winches are probably the longest lived.

FWIW: I've found that Lewmar pawls and springs fit my Barients just fine. The bearings OTOH are another matter.

As to making them all from the same manufacturer, I know you realize that this is purely cosmetic. A TrueValue hardware screwdriver looks funny among a drawer full of Craftsman tools, but it works just as well.

Since the boat is new to you, you may want to belay any major spending decisions until you've had a chance to sail it a bit. It would suck to have sunk all that money into replacing something that is otherwise serviceable, only to find that it would have been put to better use on something that has a better ROI.

BTW: Congrats on the new boat!
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to sailing it. Heck, I'm even looking forward to sanding and varnishing all the brightwork. I do realize that getting new winches would involve a bit of um, "vanity", but I'm ok with that. There are a few other upgrades and repairs I plan on doing that will involve some $$$ and that are a higher priority than new winches, so I won't be doing anything rash.

A lot of great feedback and suggestions in this thread and I appreciate them all. I think they will all come in useful regardless of what I do and when I do it. Many thanks to all who have responded.
01-28-2013 10:12 PM
PorFin
Re: Which winch?

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Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
I'm cheaper than that. If it ain't broke, I don't fix it.
I bet your wife dreads the day you blow out one of your shoes...
01-28-2013 09:54 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Which winch?

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Originally Posted by PorFin View Post
SJB,

To be honest I didn't notice the difference in length -- my approach was that since they work as a pair, they should be replaced as a pair.
I'm cheaper than that. If it ain't broke, I don't fix it.

I replaced the broken one and when I reassembled it and spun it the pawls didn't sound right so I pulled it apart and looked closely - one pawl was just a couple of thou. shorter so the longer one was the only one engaging.
01-28-2013 08:18 PM
PorFin
Re: Which winch?

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Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
Porfin - did you find the Lewmar pawls to be an exact replacement in your Barients? I found they fit the pivot just right but there was just enough difference in their length that they had to be replaced in pairs or the slightly longer one would bear all the load.
SJB,

To be honest I didn't notice the difference in length -- my approach was that since they work as a pair, they should be replaced as a pair.
01-28-2013 06:54 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Which winch?

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Originally Posted by SchockT View Post
I just replaced my primary winches last season. Winches CAN wear out if they are not maintained. On Lewmar winches the stainless pawls are held in sockets machined into the aluminum drum casting. Those sockets get loose and ovalled out, and eventually they can no longer keep the pawl captive and aligned. The end result is a catastrophic winch failure. If this happens at the wrong time it can also result in a broken arm for the person grinding!
One more reason to only get bronze or S/S winches.
01-28-2013 06:53 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Which winch?

Quote:
Originally Posted by PorFin View Post
FWIW: I've found that Lewmar pawls and springs fit my Barients just fine. The bearings OTOH are another matter.
Porfin - did you find the Lewmar pawls to be an exact replacement in your Barients? I found they fit the pivot just right but there was just enough difference in their length that they had to be replaced in pairs or the slightly longer one would bear all the load.
01-28-2013 06:19 PM
PorFin
Re: Which winch?

Steve,

+1 for making any decisions only after you've had a chance to take the winches apart to see what you are actually facing. Of all the machines on a boat, winches are probably the longest lived.

FWIW: I've found that Lewmar pawls and springs fit my Barients just fine. The bearings OTOH are another matter.

As to making them all from the same manufacturer, I know you realize that this is purely cosmetic. A TrueValue hardware screwdriver looks funny among a drawer full of Craftsman tools, but it works just as well.

Since the boat is new to you, you may want to belay any major spending decisions until you've had a chance to sail it a bit. It would suck to have sunk all that money into replacing something that is otherwise serviceable, only to find that it would have been put to better use on something that has a better ROI.

BTW: Congrats on the new boat!
01-28-2013 05:32 PM
steve77
Re: Which winch?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SchockT View Post
I just replaced my primary winches last season. Winches CAN wear out if they are not maintained. On Lewmar winches the stainless pawls are held in sockets machined into the aluminum drum casting. Those sockets get loose and ovalled out, and eventually they can no longer keep the pawl captive and aligned. The end result is a catastrophic winch failure. If this happens at the wrong time it can also result in a broken arm for the person grinding!

I did my homework on all the winches before I settled on Andersens. There were comparable to the others in price but i got full SS rather than aluminum. The Andersen4 ribbed drum design gives superior grip compared to others, it is easier on the ropes because it doesn't rely on an abrasive surface for grip. Even if they are a bit more expensive, they are well worth it!
Thanks for the feedback. I think after reading the comments here I am starting to lean towards the Andersens if I do decide to go with new ones. The place here in MA (Rigging Only) lists them for cheaper than Lewmars or Harkens at W Marine or Defender. Makes it very tempting.
01-28-2013 05:16 PM
SchockT
Re: Which winch?

I just replaced my primary winches last season. Winches CAN wear out if they are not maintained. On Lewmar winches the stainless pawls are held in sockets machined into the aluminum drum casting. Those sockets get loose and ovalled out, and eventually they can no longer keep the pawl captive and aligned. The end result is a catastrophic winch failure. If this happens at the wrong time it can also result in a broken arm for the person grinding!

I did my homework on all the winches before I settled on Andersens. There were comparable to the others in price but i got full SS rather than aluminum. The Andersen4 ribbed drum design gives superior grip compared to others, it is easier on the ropes because it doesn't rely on an abrasive surface for grip. Even if they are a bit more expensive, they are well worth it!
01-28-2013 04:52 PM
steve77
Re: Which winch?

Quote:
Originally Posted by eherlihy View Post
If you don't want to make the trek to ME to service the winches, you can usually find someone at the marina that will do it for you. It should cost <$50 to have an experienced person service a winch in the winter.

Another tip; after servicing, cover the winch with a gallon size plastic bag to keep water and dust out of the winch. I put the plastic bag on and then put the winch covers on.

Again, I am a firm believer in doing this NOW so that you can sail later.
Yes, the rigging shop will do this for me. I suspect that the reason they recommended replacing them is not so much that they're shot, but that in case they need parts it might be hard to find them for the Arcos and Maxwell. Most likely this is what I'll do for now. At some point I think I will probably want to replace them with winches from one source, since I do plan to keep this boat for a long time.
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