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02-01-2013 02:30 AM
tap
Re: another pre-paint question

I had to sand down my non-skid when I painted my decks. You will never sand the non-skid into something that looks nice as is. You'll have to sand, fair, and then paint.

While the Kiwigrip does hide blemishes, it doesn't cover everything. If you have a sanded smooth area next to the original non-skid, the boundary will telegraph through the Kiwigrip.
01-30-2013 10:52 PM
Ritchard
Re: another pre-paint question

Thanks Bruce,

I've already had my learning curve with Brightsides last spring, I did new cove and boot stripes, as well as painting a good bit of the interior. It's pretty easy, but I do agree with you about the primer. Getting it just right is a challenge.
01-30-2013 10:06 PM
Bruce_L
Re: another pre-paint question

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would it be reasonably possible to sand the nonskid smooth to achieve that one-inch line? I am thinking that the gelcoat is thicker where the bumpy non-skid is, and that with a bit of care I should be able to get it sanded flat and smooth before ending up at the glass underneath. I see the challenge as confining the sanding to this one inch strip only, not over-sanding into the non-skid field I want to leave undisturbed.

Or maybe I don't really care, as the Kiwigrip will cover the sanded area outside my one inch line so that it will all match anyhow.

Thoughts?
Older gelcoat sands down pretty quick to the fiberglass below. Textured non-skid is actually pretty easy to remove (use something like 80 grit to start with). My decks were like an earthquake zone with cracks, so I have a lot of experience sanding down and repairing decks. I did not get real picky since I too am using kiwigrip and the texture hides blemishes underneath. I made sure I sealed everything with epoxy and sanded smooth since the kiwigrip needs a secure surface to bond to. I assumed the kiwigrip does not add any protection to the surface underneath, only traction for my feat, hence the epoxy below it. I did my entire boat in brightsides and loved it. My biggest problem was not technique or chemistry (i went w/ brush on the decks, roller for the hull) but large dust particles in my work area. Had to wet sand the 1st coat with 320 grit and re-apply. Wet sanding brightsides is super easy if you wait about 4-5 days 1st. I used the pre-kote primer and thinned it with the interlux thinner. Prekote is really thick stuff and you may end up putting it on too thick at first so watch that. Lots of thin coats work better.

Hope this helps, Bruce
01-30-2013 09:45 PM
Ritchard
Re: another pre-paint question

That's not a bad suggestion, BL, I am going to keep that in the quiver of ideas. Of course, I could try a bit of sanding with the long narrow block I am now thinking about, and if it simply doesn't work, your idea becomes a fallback.
01-30-2013 09:05 PM
bljones
Re: another pre-paint question

forget trying to sand down the existing non-skid. It will just become an unlevel mess that you are going to have to fill and fair anyway to be presentable. Instead, mask off the offending area, rough it up, lay on a thin layer of thickened epoxy, just enough to fill the valleys in the non skid pattern and sand it smooth.
01-30-2013 07:37 PM
Ritchard
Re: another pre-paint question

Under the cover it gets quite warm on a sunny and hopefully warmer day. I won't do anything conditions won't permit. I'll be doing the Kiwigrip before it gets too warm. When it's cool out, apparently you get a much better working window. Pachena sent me a really good graphic about working times yesterday. In fact, I'll paste it here.

01-30-2013 07:35 PM
Stumble
Re: another pre-paint question

When applying new non-skid you really should sand off all the old stuff anyway to ensure proper build and attachment.
01-30-2013 07:02 PM
tommays
Re: another pre-paint question

March is going to be a bit cold ?

Make sure you have a good plan for pulling the tape as it is a VERY SMALL WINDOW between lifting the paint and NOT being able to remove the tape
01-30-2013 05:50 PM
Ritchard
Re: another pre-paint question

I don't think I'd like the look of the old non-skid peeking out from between the Kiwigrip areas. I'd prefer it flat. I wish I could find a chunk of non-skid to try it on. I have been sitting here thinking about making a sanding block - more like a narrow longboard - out of a chunk of hardwood.
01-30-2013 05:38 PM
Faster
Re: another pre-paint question

You're using Kiwgrip so your original nonskid will be essentially obliterated anyhow.. if you want that 'look' and if your existing nonskid isn't too aggressive I'd just prepaint the division line areas in white then tape off the line as you like and do the kiwigrip.

The main caution I'd have is, since you're taping on the original nonskid that you take extra care to seat the tape to avoid bleeding under it.

You certainly could sand smooth first, and maybe that would look best overall, but it will be difficult to get a good consistent appearance around the edges, I suspect.

When we did a similar project we added a couple of deck hatches (anchor locker and lazarette access) which we cut out of the deck, sealed, and put back in place with hinges. Since we repainted afterwards we were able to pattern the nonskid around the new sections - it looked factory after that!
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