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03-07-2013 12:54 PM
NaviGsr
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

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Originally Posted by eherlihy View Post
I would also add to the list that an older boat with FEWER systems that work well, is better than the same boat that is loaded up with obsolete or non-functional equipment. Examples are CRT Radar, Loran, Water Maker, Electric Windlasses, Refrigeration.

I saw a lot of boats with broken autopilots, wind generators, non-functional wind instruments, gaping holes cut in a locker to mount the Radar CRT, yet the owners asked for top dollar.
These are both very good points to keep in mind as you look. I would also reiterate that a boat with new electronics and systems is worth only a pittance more than one without.

The great thing about the current market is that a boat that has been moderately refitted will not sell for much, if anything more, than an original boat in the same condition.

The only thing that can justifiably inflate one boat's sale price over a comparable boat right now would be a VERY recent (as in last 5 years) repower.

Don't let the material cost of systems fool you. Anyone can install an expensive chartplotter. Most of the cost of boat maintenance comes from time. Either this is billed by the yard or it is your time stuck on the hard and not cruising. Look for boats that have had the big jobs done. Every model has common problems. Find out what they are and see if they have been addressed.

Things like a redone bottom or keel repair, recored and refinished decks, and new standing rigging, are examples of common jobs on older boats that are infinitely expensive in time. Ask how the job was done so you know if it was done right.

If you are not on a deadline, be patient. The right boat is out there, but only you can know when you've found her!
03-07-2013 11:54 AM
Faster
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

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Originally Posted by eherlihy View Post
I would also add to the list that an older boat with FEWER systems that work well, is better than the same boat that is loaded up with obsolete or non-functional equipment. Examples are CRT Radar, Loran, Water Maker, Electric Windlasses, Refrigeration.

I saw a lot of boats with broken autopilots, wind generators, non-functional wind instruments, gaping holes cut in a locker to mount the Radar CRT, yet the owners asked for top dollar.
Another item to add the that list, esp in higher latitudes, is the installed but non functioning Espar or equivalent.
03-07-2013 09:29 AM
eherlihy
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

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Originally Posted by Grunfeld View Post
What I take away so far is that the consensus is:

70s boats can still be solid choices if well maintained.

Be prepared for significant maintenance

My budget should be increased (for maintenance, or newer boat, or both)

Other food for thought.

Buy smaller,

look for mid 80s boats for better systems

Survey is important but personal inspection is just as vital
I would also add to the list that an older boat with FEWER systems that work well, is better than the same boat that is loaded up with obsolete or non-functional equipment. Examples are CRT Radar, Loran, Water Maker, Electric Windlasses, Refrigeration.

I saw a lot of boats with broken autopilots, wind generators, non-functional wind instruments, gaping holes cut in a locker to mount the Radar CRT, yet the owners asked for top dollar.
03-07-2013 07:25 AM
copacabana
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

If you can find a 70's boat from a quality builder that someone has lovingly maintained, updated and refurbished (especially for long-distance cruising) then you can't really go wrong. I've seen some deals on boats with a new engine, rigging, sails, batteries & solar panels, wiring, tanks etc. for sale because the owner discovered he didn't like cruising after all. A boat like this can be a great deal. Usually they command a premium price, but nowhere near what was invested in the boat. This is especially true of boats that were produced in large numbers and which have many for sale on the market.

I'm not sure there will be any advantage in buying a boat from the 80's (over the 70's) as they will have all systems at the end of their useful life as well unless someone has replaced them.

By the same token, a boat (especially a large one) from the 70's or 80's, with lots of old and complex systems that have not been replaced recently will be a constant repair nightmare. I think in this case it is infinitely better to get a simpler recently-revamped old boat or a much newer boat.
03-06-2013 11:02 PM
davidpm
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

[QUOTE=paul323;982253 People I know took a modern 'Ikea' boat offshore into some rougher weather, and the hull flexed so much that internal bulkheads/cabinets came loose. Would not happen in my old Pearson.[/QUOTE]

What boat had that problem.
03-06-2013 10:44 PM
Grunfeld
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

I just noticed there are quite a few more comments here than before. Funny I didnít get the usual email notices of new comments.

Anyway I want to thank all for their comments. Everyone was thoughtful and helpful.

What I take away so far is that the consensus is:

70s boats can still be solid choices if well maintained.

Be prepared for significant maintenance

My budget should be increased (for maintenance, or newer boat, or both)

Other food for thought.

Buy smaller,

look for mid 80s boats for better systems

Survey is important but personal inspection is just as vital

Thanks all
02-13-2013 05:32 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

I don't think you will have any problem . In many ways boats form that era are far better cruising boats than more "Modern' designs in practical terms.
Check out the sea of Cortes, especially San Carlos for incredibly cheap boats which have been abandoned in a yard there. A friend was offered an Alberg 35 for free there. Check out the cruisers internet chatlines there.
02-11-2013 02:11 AM
captainbri
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

Some people wont drive a car with a scratch and some drive wrecks. Some people sail the world in boats most of us would not feel safe on in a swimming pool. I have seen 3 or 4 NICE almost perfect boats sell in less than 24 hours at great deals. more boats are sold by someone knowing someone. this is the best way to make a selection imho, im sure you know if your neighbor takes care of his cars and house, boats are the same way.

It is a buyers market if you take your time and invest in looking you can get a great deal.
02-11-2013 01:53 AM
Outrageous
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

Despite what HelloSailor and miatapaul posted, here is a surveyor who goes up the mast:

Kent Parker, NAMS , Certified Marine Surveyor, of Parker Marine Consultants, P.O. Box 6648, Napa, CA 94581 (707) 252-9383

Glad to share his reports on the 2 boats he's done for me. Photos from atop the mast, neat climbing gear, etc. Of course this guy built boats and worked on America's Cup boats, so he probably rare - but that's why I picked him. There's one other guy in the Bay Area like him as well.
02-06-2013 10:20 AM
BenMerc
Re: Are Boats Built in the 70's Just Too Tired

Very much agree with that sentiment...
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