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06-28-2013 04:07 PM
Nicklaus
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

I have a 35 lb Manson with about 25 ft of chain.

We haven't anchored out a ton with our boat in rough conditions - we just got her in November - but the Manson has held every time and on the first try.
06-28-2013 01:32 PM
DRFerron
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

We have an over sized (for our boat) Delta that has held our boat in various Chesapeake anchorages with no problem. The Danforth is backup.
06-28-2013 01:27 PM
xort
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

smoke the hemp, throw the rock at a wake pushing lobster boat!
06-28-2013 12:54 PM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

I use a rock and some hemp twine.
06-28-2013 12:43 PM
joburnet
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

I have a 22# Danforth that I used during the hurricane a couple years ago in the Chesapeake. When I came back it took me over 30 mins to get the anchor out of the mud because it was dug in so deep. I had to use my winch to the point I was worried it would break under the stress. That anchor is overkill for my 27' sloop but I can certainly say that type of anchor works very well in the Bay.
02-12-2013 07:43 PM
chef2sail
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

Quote:
Originally Posted by swampcreek View Post
WOW! Lots of great information, thanks everyone! I did see the "Mantus" on this site after my initial post and also have that as a possibility. I have some time since we're on the hard waiting for our first full sailing season on our new to us boat, I'll look closely. I found on the C320 site that chain can be used on the windlass but it'll knock the chrome off the drum (I'll get the make and model and look it up), others parallel a line to the chain but I think that could turn into a mess with a long run.
Yeah...Keep it simple.. Most people have the chain...rope combo.
Of course keep your danforth/ fortress as a secondary one....just saying
02-12-2013 03:58 PM
swampcreek
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

WOW! Lots of great information, thanks everyone! I did see the "Mantus" on this site after my initial post and also have that as a possibility. I have some time since we're on the hard waiting for our first full sailing season on our new to us boat, I'll look closely. I found on the C320 site that chain can be used on the windlass but it'll knock the chrome off the drum (I'll get the make and model and look it up), others parallel a line to the chain but I think that could turn into a mess with a long run.
02-09-2013 10:46 PM
chef2sail
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

This may be the most important thing you buy for your boat. It wont be cheap and take your time choosing. The new Gen anchors Manson Supreme and Rocna (Mantus is still unproved but looks promising except it is bolted) are far superior IMHO than other anchors as they can cover a wide range of bottoms. The set faster and reset fast if necessary. The weighted roll bar, weight distruibution and beveled tip help it dig in big time in most bottoms immediately. These anchors tuen and reset right away in tidal rivers/ switching fast currents like the Delaware or in the LI Sound. You should buy an anchor for many bottoms as I am sure you guys will eventually go coastal crusining an encounter them. Also the Chessie bottoms are really more varied than you think. Wye River- grass, Chester River leaves and thick black mud, Annapolis- silty, Sassafrass leaves and sandy. We have a Rocna 15 ( 33lbs) and it is the best anchor I have ever had bar none. It digs and stops the boat with a jerk before even backing down.

Cost- West Maine
Rocna 33 lbs- $345
Manson Supreme 35 lbs- $404

Before buying check the space of the bail over your roller to see what it will accomadate. Mansons shanks are wider and some have trouble, The tips should fit right under the bow point.

Also get on line prices from others and take to West marine as they will match prices. Same with the chain and line of the rode. I find the two superstores Annpolis- Hilsmere and Batimore Route 40 are good about this

Anchor chain and line- how much?
Rememeber in anchoring you need to add freeboard ( averages 6 ft) and high tide numer to find out actual dimensions when anchoring. For instance if you anchor in Chester River at 1 hour before high tide and its 19 ft, figure high tide it will be 20, fthen add freeboard= 26 ft. If you are putting out standard 7:1 in good wind thats 182 ft....30 chain and 150 line. assuming you will eventually anchor in water deeper than the Chessie, I know its shallow here, you should buy enough line so you wont have to eventually change out. I suggest 250 ft 3 strand. Thats the normal stuff.

No less than 30 ft of chain- it will help with the cantanary angle and it laying down when anchoring. More than 60 will require a snubber.

Find the specs of the gypsy for your windlass...either on line or call manufacturer. Some may have different sizes for the same model also. You want to buy either G4 40/43 or BBB, not just galvinized. You also want someone to professionally splice it for you.

Standard shackle with wiinding wire is the way to go... IMHO dont go the swivel route as it becomes the weakest point of the system.

3/5 chain + 5/8 line is good...but you have to find out what fits in the gypsy of the windlass. It will take both chain and rode. practice with your windlass in the slip so you can figure it out before anchoring, free fall, controlled anchoring so it doesnt land in a pile when it goes down and also practice what to do should it jam. Do not change you technique when raising the anchor, dont have the windlass pull you up or you will burn it out. Have the admiral slkowly motor upo while you power it up till you get right over it, then pull it up. Always use gloves Gardening type and throw them in the anchor locker, I have seen viscious anchoring hand accidents. Also you might want to invest in a washdown pump as the mud you bring up with a Rocna/ manson is incrediable and a testement to their holding power.

Take you time in buying this and get a good buy as well as system. Piece of mind and the ability to sleep safley are important. I have never slept better on anchor as with my Rocna, Also put Drag Queen on your apps.

Here are some online pricing
Anchor Lines and Chains
Gr 40 Windlass Anchor Chain


If you have questions PM me.
02-09-2013 10:17 PM
pdqaltair
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

PalmettoSailor's advice was sound. I've had Danforths, Delta, Fortress, and Manson.

The Fortress is great for certain super soft mud anchorages. Great for a kedge and for a second, as they are so light.

I had a 25-pound Delta on my 32-foot cat. Mostly very good, but undersized in soft mud. Easy to place and good with shifts. Always came up clean.

I then got a 35-pound Manson. The size helped, and shape is better in either very hard bottoms or soft mud. An improvement, however, it comes up loaded with mud. I keep a long handled plastic scraper up front.

Regarding the windlass, please tell us what type. Most have a combination chain/rope gypsy that can manage both chain and rope, but they will hang up at the splice if not done perfectly. One solution is to have enough chain to handle 90% of harbors, which will only be about 75 feet in the Chesapeake (I have 50 feet, but my draft is less); then the slice does not have to pass.
02-09-2013 08:07 PM
PalmettoSailor
Re: Ground Tackle For Chessie Mud

Quote:
Originally Posted by swampcreek View Post
It seems that it will either be the Spade or the Rocna.
If you have to buy a new anchor for the Chessy, I say go with either the Manson or the Rocna. I think the Manson is available for less and isn't subject to the questionable metalurgy of the Rocna.

I have used a Delta on the Chessy from Annapolis as far south as York River with few problems. There have been a couple of places where I could not get a set for various reasons (thick mat of leaves/grass or soupy mud). I have yet to drag, but my friend with a larger Hunter which much more windage than my boat drug his Delta so to avoid his experience if the forecast calls for stronger winds or a big wind shift I will use a 10lb mushroom as a kedge.

If I were to buy anything else it would be a Manson in hopes of getting a hook up where my Delta wouldn't.
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