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02-19-2013 12:22 PM
NaviGsr
Re: Catalina value

The 86-88 vintage 36s in brokerage in your area have been listing just under 50k and selling in the low 40s over the last two years.
02-19-2013 11:51 AM
Sn0wman
Re: Catalina value

We bought an older C36 this last summer. I will second the C36 user association as an incredible resource. Also, a factor for us was location. We spent months looking at boats from Wisconsin, Chicago, and southern Michigan. At the end of the day, we factored all the variables and gladly paid a bit more money for a comparable boat that only required that we moved the boat 4 slips for the delivery, as opposed to finding help sailing one home or getting it delivered.

On a side note, my family absolutely loves our C36, we have been very happy with it.
02-19-2013 11:33 AM
SailingJackson
Re: Catalina value

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Originally Posted by DRFerron View Post
Isn't that sort of an adjustment? I wouldn't pick over the fridge, but if they repaired the bow pulpit that was money you didn't have to put out and more money that they did.
Yes. I only mentioned it as an example of what a prior poster had said: You don't survey until after an agreed price.

The reason there was an adjustment was that the broker and seller had pointed out what they knew of the boat and everything they knew was wrong. My offer was based on that information. The bow pulpit had not be noticed by anyone until during the survey, hence we agreed on an adjustment in the form of a repair.

It was interesting that it was me, not the surveyor, who noticed that the pulpit was out of whack. Sighting down from on centerline it seemed bent. The surveyor looked and said "sure is". The broker looked and said "damn, you're right".

Broker said the marina shop guys could straighten it out. The shop guys said it got wacked 2 years prior and they had already worked on it, that was as good as they could get it. Broker was good. He didn't argue, just ordered a new pulpit. Catalina sold them a replacement for around $700 and it cost another $500 to have it installed.
02-19-2013 11:17 AM
DRFerron
Re: Catalina value

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Originally Posted by SailingJackson View Post
Agreed. When I got my boat the survey found the bow pulpit had been bent out of whack and the fridge did not work. There was no adjustment in price, but the seller paid the cost of repairing those items.
GJ
Isn't that sort of an adjustment? I wouldn't pick over the fridge, but if they repaired the bow pulpit that was money you didn't have to put out and more money that they did.
02-18-2013 05:28 PM
SailingJackson
Re: Catalina value

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Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
If I was selling a boat and someone tries to renegotiate me down after the signed the contract thinking they had a second oppertunity I would tell them to stuff it.
Agreed. When I got my boat the survey found the bow pulpit had been bent out of whack and the fridge did not work. There was no adjustment in price, but the seller paid the cost of repairing those items.
GJ
02-18-2013 05:18 PM
chef2sail
Re: Catalina value

I am confused here about this after survey offer.

Generaly the order of business is for the buyer to inspect the boat...once you decide to buy it make an offer. At this point a back and forth between the owner takes place until you either walk away or find a mtually agreeable price. A contract is drawn up and a 10% down payment is made. The contract is made pending the results of the survey.

Buyer pays for the surveyor, buyer pays to have boat put in water if on the land sroed, buyer pays for haul out and re winterization.

Survey can take place before this and then if all is going well sea trial takes place. If the Buyer finds all ok and no major chages occur and sea test shows well then the buyer oks and the price of the contract is enforced.

MOst sales I have seen there is no new renegotiation unless there are some real issiues that were not disclosed beforehand or the engine doesnt work or the hull is in bad shape. I have seen a liitle allowance for other stuff, but there is a signed contract.

There is no second period of negotiations unless the buyer doesnt like things found not to be sound via the surveyors findings. If a few minor things needed to be repaired that would be negotiasble as to who and whether that came off the price or was incurred by the owner.

If I was selling a boat and someone tries to renegotiate me down after the signed the contract thinking they had a second oppertunity I would tell them to stuff it.
02-18-2013 12:10 PM
SailingJackson
Re: Catalina value

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Originally Posted by Gregrosine View Post
This will be our first boat. There is a 1987 Catalina 36 foot sailboat. It's in good condition. It's been upgraded with an in-boom mainsail furler. It's for sailing on Lake Michigan. We are considering placing an offer but are looking for guidance on what the market value might be for a similar boat. We know it will depend on a survey, but are looking for some rough ideas of the price point on this year of boat. Any guidance?
Looks like we're talking about this boat in Holland.

Other factors are the 1) winter cover, 2) decent canvas 3) reverse cycle air conditioning, 4) upgraded fridge, and 5) wing keel.

I wouldn't give much for any of the electronics on the boat, but some of the stuff I've listed above adds a good deal to the value. In particular, with Lake Michigan at record low levels, that boosts the value of shoal draft. Years back when the lake was nearly this low there were dozens of 6' draft boats offered at give-away prices. As long as the lake stays low shoal draft will add to the value of your boat and add to your freedom as to where you can get into.

In addition to a survey, you need to ask questions about the engine. That boat has been in use 26 years and he has not listed the engine hours.

You can also get lots of support over at Catalina 36 International Association Forums - Powered by vBulletin. I'd agree with another poster of around $40K. $38K would be a great deal, but $45K would not be unreasonable if the survey supports it. Don't survey in this sort of weather, wait until it warms up and the surveyor will be able to investigate a little more thoroughly.

GJ
02-18-2013 10:32 AM
DRFerron
Re: Catalina value

In addition to what everyone else said, when we got to the point where we had a survey done, after it was over the surveyor told us what other boats of the same model and year and in comparable condition that he surveyed sold for. We took that into consideration (sorta) when we adjusted the after-survey offer.
02-17-2013 08:11 PM
Gregrosine
Re: Catalina value

Thank you to all who responded. You have been a great help. I just wish it were summer! It's cold looking at a boat on the hard in 18 degree weather.
02-16-2013 11:40 PM
chef2sail
Re: Catalina value

Have your or a brolker bring up what the comporable Cat 36 have sold for in the last 3 years. Not the asking price but the actual selling price. You picked one of the most popular made boats and a good one. There are many good choices

There are many factors which can geatly swing prices of same boats...Faster mentioned some, I will add age of engine and condition, maintainence records, upgrades, rigging, sail newness overall appearence and care of the hull and also the interior.
These are Catlina listings
YachtWorld.com Boats and Yachts for Sale

If you ate settled on the 36 Catalinas...look around the country for the best one. It might pay to have it shipped or delivered,

If this is the boat, it looks ok from a pitcure glance.

Interior looks like it ewill need to livining up and wish there were more pictures. Cradle and winter cover ( which is important where you are) will run you over $4000. They dont list engine hours or the age of the sails. AC/ heat is nice but what year. Electronics is ok...but is old.

View Boat Photos - YachtWorld.com

This one has upgrades in elctric systems, tall rig, inner forestay, new cushions, davits, radar pole,

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...url=&imc=pg-fs

This one looks like in better condition and is $10,000 cheaper even if you shipped it its cheaper
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=2527300

This one is very nice...1990 and really low engine hours and in your area. I like it condition best
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=2544512



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