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03-03-2013 09:36 PM
GalileoX
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

Oh man yes it is. I get less concerned about living space the prettier the interior gets.
03-03-2013 05:28 PM
RealST
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

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Originally Posted by GalileoX View Post
I am planning on buying a sailboat sometime before Summer 2014. I have an under $50K budget and a pretty specific set of requirements. First let me say that I have poured over Yachtworld and the like for over five years thinking about this time coming. I purchased a US Yacht 25 swing keel and have sailed her in fresh water for a couple of years now. I currently live near and sail on the Ohio river but I intend to take this new boat up and down the Tennessee/Tom Bigbee River. water way a couple of times and eventually will go cruising in the Caribbean. Meanwhile I'll be living aboard in a Marina in Louisville, KY.

The Ohio is pretty wide in these parts, nearly a mile in spots and the current is negligible, about two knots throughout the Spring, Summer and Fall. There is a decent sized and active sailing community here and there are about ten marinas, one with haul out and repair services, available in the area. Obviously draft and bridge clearance are important factors on a river and after a great deal of discussion and study of Great Loop information I know that I need a draft of five and a half feet or less and a a bridge clearance of 52 feet. The bridge clearance restriction could be raised a couple of inches if necessary.

Because I will want to enjoy the boat here on the Ohio as well as take her cruising the boat needs to be able to point well as the prevailing westerly winds here have me tacking back and forth a great deal when heading west down stream. The higher she can point the less I will have to tack. She should perform well in light air as well since we usually have winds between eight to sixteen knots, though 20 to 25 knot days are not uncommon. Since I plan to cruise her she should be suitable for offshore work also, either as she is or with minor modifications. I feel that a 38 foot boat would be large enough for my six foot four, 300 lb frame but still a reasonable size for sailing in the narrow restrictions of a river.

Being that I plan to live on the boat certain creature comforts are also required. Namely hot and cold pressure water, a decent galley, decent storage, air conditioning, a roomy head and a separate shower. Even a cramped sit down shower stall will do. I don't want to deal with wiping down a wet bathroom when getting ready for work or the like. I know that the shower would be less important were I cruising right now but that is not the case. Furthermore the marinas around here do not have liveaboard shower, or laundry, facilities though liveaboards are allowed. When cruising the shower will be a nice wet locker. if the boat has two heads, which is not a prerequisite, I would then use one for a shower and the other as the bathroom and a separate stall shower would not be required. I also want to find a boat that is well equipped. Roller furling and good sails, rigging and canvases and the basic instruments are enough, all else will be purchased new and installed. I also love interior wood and I am very experienced with finishing and maintenance of wood and do not fear the work needed to keep it up. I am not a fan of a lot of white gelcoat and the Ikia / Tupperware feel of some boats and preferably not a twin straight settee layout. I want a little more dimension in the interior so an L or U shaped settee on one side would be ideal.

So the list looks like this:
37 to 40 feet
AC
Separate Shower
Gas Stove
Refrigeration
Hot & Cold H2O
Pressure H2O
L or U Shaped Settee
Good light air and pointing ability as well as a rugged offshore performer
Skeg Hung Rudder
Roller Furling
Lines led aft
Wheel Steering
Under $50k (mid 1970's to mid 1980s models)

So far the Ericson and Morgan 38s seem to fit the bill. They are between $35-$50K and generally come well equipped with some combination of one or more piece of cruising equipment like solar or wind power generation, radar and a plotter as well as that which I require. They have reputations of being good sailing boats that can take offshore stresses and get you home. I really liked the interior design of the Islander 36 but it has no shower and I would love love love a Panda or Sabre or Pacific Seacraft 38 but those are twice the price...Oh but those gorgeous interiors! And as gorgeous interiors go I love the Taiwanese boats but most are not good performers in light air nor do they point to weather adequately. To help me decide I plan to visit either Texas or Florida next month to look at different boats to try to get a feel for what I am looking at but for now any suggestions or opinions of other boats would be appreciated.

I look forward to your feedback
That Panda is real Pretty
02-26-2013 10:18 PM
GalileoX
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

Ah well then I have heard of potting. I just didn't know there was a name for it. Thanks.
02-26-2013 09:50 PM
timangiel
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

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Originally Posted by GalileoX View Post
What does it mean to have "potted" the stanchions? That's a phrase I have not heard before.
Potting is when you fill a deck penetration hole with epoxy to seal the core material, protecting the core from moisture intrusion.
02-26-2013 08:41 PM
GalileoX
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

So far the list is Ericson and Morgan 38's but I'll give the Landfall another look.
02-26-2013 08:35 PM
chef2sail
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

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Originally Posted by 4arch View Post
I didn't see the anodized toerail (or toenail ) in any of the linked boats for sale but maybe it was a buyer's option or came in later model years? Either way, the Landfall would definitely be on our shortlist if we were to ever want to upgrade (and didn't hit the lotto first). Really like the layout and the performance. I imagine a lot of the owners have potted the stanchion base deck penetrations and rebedded the toerails by now if they've been problematic. It's certainly possible to find boats that have been better maintained than others.

I like the Ericsons too but I prefer the 38-200 that has the head aft. They didn't start making them until 86 so they tend to be pricier than the original 38.

Maybe all the Landfalls have them and the 38 regulars dont. 38 regular C&C is a good boat for cruising if you are loking at Eriksons and Irwins. Salis nice and quick also.


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02-26-2013 08:33 PM
GalileoX
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

Spell check will get ya every time. Lol!
02-26-2013 08:32 PM
GalileoX
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

What does it mean to have "potted" the stanchions? That's a phrase I have not heard before. I'll take a look at the C&C Landfall again. I like the layout and I also prefer the Ericson 38-200 but the price is getting up there in the late 80s. I could buy a more expensive boat but I want to keep some reserve cash for equipment upgrades and so forth. Sigh...I'm still dreaming of that Panda 38 I saw the other day. So beautiful.
02-26-2013 08:29 PM
chef2sail
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

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Originally Posted by Faster View Post
TMI.. ... what you do with your toenails is your business, Dave, but wouldn't nail polish be easier??:
Damn,,,Thats that stinking I Pad Apple spell check. Nnow you know why I hate spellcheck

TOERAIL
02-26-2013 07:42 PM
4arch
Re: Ericson 38, Morgarn 38 or what? Hmmmmm...

I didn't see the anodized toerail (or toenail ) in any of the linked boats for sale but maybe it was a buyer's option or came in later model years? Either way, the Landfall would definitely be on our shortlist if we were to ever want to upgrade (and didn't hit the lotto first). Really like the layout and the performance. I imagine a lot of the owners have potted the stanchion base deck penetrations and rebedded the toerails by now if they've been problematic. It's certainly possible to find boats that have been better maintained than others.

I like the Ericsons too but I prefer the 38-200 that has the head aft. They didn't start making them until 86 so they tend to be pricier than the original 38.
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