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03-01-2013 12:01 PM
zeehag
Re: Make do with wrong boat

i make do with a 41 formosa i bought with all electronix and auto pile it, and traded a nice 35 ft ericson for it... my neighbor here paid 3000 dollars, canadian, for his steelie that looks like 3000 usd , even after being run down by a catamaran in banderas bay....lol..he has all the tronix and spares.....

is alll what you find when you look.ake sure you sail what you see so you know the differences..there is a wrong boat--if you seek deep heavy ketch as a cruiser and settle for a light speedball of a sloop...you may not be happy then...
03-01-2013 11:13 AM
Faster
Re: Make do with wrong boat

We own a near-30 yr old boat ('84). Luckily she's the right size, has a good, liveable interior and is quite well equipped, maintained and upgraded. She's dated particularly in her "IOR" pinched ends design, they made cockpit compromises to accommodate a surprisingly liveable aft cabin/berth. As a result, when we raft up with our friends' and their Catalina 34s and 36s, et al, we suffer cockpit envy.

But that's really the only serious complaint we have, and we almost always walk off a 'new' boat at a boat show or brokerage thinking good things about what we've got.

Last year, though, we did think about updating.. something 10 years or so newer and started shopping around. Eventually we figured out we'd have to at least double what we'd get for our boat (in the current market) PLUS add in things like a decent battery bank (have it now) radar (have it now) feathering prop (have it now).. all the things we've spent the last 8 years improving and upgrading on the boat we have would go to ground zero, after spending that extra cash. All to 'improve' our cockpit, and at considerable cost to storage space and quality of finish below.

In the end we decided to do some more upgrades gradually, try to keep the old girl as current and pristine as we can. Unless there's an unknown rich relative in our future, I think this is going to be the last one. Which, in the end, is fine.
03-01-2013 09:46 AM
bljones
Re: Make do with wrong boat

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Originally Posted by asdf38 View Post
Which boat do you really want?
Y'know, I think that question, when we're talking about the last boat, the post-retirement crusing boat, almost deserves it's own thread.
IMO it is the question that should be asked last.
First question: how much ready cash will you have when you retire?
Second question: how much monthly income will your investments/IRAs, etc., bring you?
Third question: Are you going to cruise for a fixed length and return to the dirt by choice, or are you going to adopt the "no fixed address" lifestyle for good?

Then ask, "Which boat do you really want?" shortly after asking "how much can i really afford?"

We've all seen folks who waste months kicking tires on boats that everybody but them knows they cant afford until they finally accept the reality that they need to look in the $50K range, not the $150 K range. That is time they won't ever get back.
03-01-2013 09:42 AM
chucklesR
Re: Make do with wrong boat

To repeat what some others have already alluded to:

I bought my Gemini new, watched her being built right here in Annapolis in 2007.

I put between 10 and 30 hours most weekends fixing, upgrading or otherwise doing maintenance of some sort, and close to 2k a year into it just fixing issues.
That includes the new engine, plumbing, electrical etc..

New and newer boats are not (for some reason) like cars, in the price range most of us mere mortals can afford they come with issues.

The Irwin I linked is actually priced in the upper range for the model, some go for up to 20k less.

Mine didn't come with windlass, arch, solar, instruments etc. (it's only got 603 hours on the engine, and I put 3 of them on test sailing). I have the advantage of not having to rip out old stuff and replace with new. My budget for buying, upgrading and all is under 100k - that gives me a lot more in my kitty to go sit next to an island with white sand and sunny skies for a lot longer. If I have to fix something while I'm there, sigh. I'll handle it and cool off with a snorkel over a coral reef.

On the other hand if I have to replace the rigging, fuel tanks and such - well, I'll still be under the 150k range, and maybe have to fore go a couple Rum and Coke Zero's here and there.
The way I see it, if a boat is strong, dry and solid at 30, it's probably going to outlast me.
03-01-2013 07:58 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Make do with wrong boat

Get the boat you will want for 90% of what you will do with it. I hate to say it, but most of that 90% will be sleeping, eating, living aboard, etc. The rest will be coastal cruising, not major passages. The 10% you have to mitigate, if you don't have the perfect boat for it. For example, you may need to be very careful with your weather windows, but having no schedule helps. Drogues, emergency rudders, etc, may all provide peace of mind that you can pull off one of these infrequent longer passages, if the worst happens.
02-28-2013 11:50 PM
asdf38
Re: Make do with wrong boat

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Originally Posted by mitchbrown View Post
Ive been on new boats and things break or dont work, wire connectors that have problems and need to be traced down and fixed, exhaust fitting cracks. If you think you can buy any boat and not have to continually work on it you are mistaken. All boats even new boats are a continual work in progress.
This is my thought too. There is nothing that says that because it's new it's not going to break and 100k+ less up front is a significant chunk of change to oversee some upgrades or deal with issues as they arise.

That said, we're talking about sailboats - this isn't something that comes down to practicality. There is a big difference between an 84' Irwin and a 2007 Catalina. Which boat do you really want?
02-28-2013 06:57 PM
Andrew Burton
Re: Make do with wrong boat

Well, if you find your way to Newport, be sure to call. I'd love to treat you to a libation at Ida Lewis.
02-28-2013 06:48 PM
chef2sail
Re: Make do with wrong boat

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Originally Posted by Andrew Burton View Post
Dave, I started out looking for a 35 mk1 and then at Mk IIs, I didn't even look at a 35 Mk III because they all seemed pretty pricey. Fantastic boats, though. There's nothing about the Mk III I don't like (or any of the 35s). From the way they look, to the way they sail, to the layout, Your boat is nigh on a perfect cruiser/racer solution for her size. I think you've got a great boat!
I got very lucky with Peregrine, she wasn't even listed, but was owned by a friend of a friend who was willing to let her go to a good home (you know how we get emotionally involved with our boats) and my wife and I seemed like the right people. Hence the very reasonable price. The PO and I are becoming friends and he's made it clear that if I take him sailing, he'll bring plenty of beer.
Yeah the 35's were their frist real go to racing boat with the rules of the time. There are racing fleets of them on the Great Lakes, kind of like the J Class boats of today. A number of us kind of keep a close e mail touch with each other like JAaronson. As the perfected them they moved through the Redwing, MKI, II and III. For their size still hold there own against similar size modern boats. Sounds like you lucked out and go a gem

We come up to the LI Sound every summer from the Chessie for 3 weeks ( total trip) and were a few weeks early for last years Rondevous at Mystic. I would have love to come. There arent as many C&Cs on the Chessie although I may try with Joel to restart the C&C Club down here. This year our itinerary looks like Block, Montauk. Greenport, Gardeniers Bay and then Stonington, Fishers, Mattitck, Port Jefferson.

Next year we will do Newport, Bristol, Cuttyhunk, MV as we were up there a few years ago. Haleakula was actually built in Bristol
02-28-2013 06:30 PM
Andrew Burton
Re: Make do with wrong boat

Dave, I started out looking for a 35 mk1 and then at Mk IIs, I didn't even look at a 35 Mk III because they all seemed pretty pricey. Fantastic boats, though. There's nothing about the Mk III I don't like (or any of the 35s). From the way they look, to the way they sail, to the layout, Your boat is nigh on a perfect cruiser/racer solution for her size. I think you've got a great boat!
I got very lucky with Peregrine, she wasn't even listed, but was owned by a friend of a friend who was willing to let her go to a good home (you know how we get emotionally involved with our boats) and my wife and I seemed like the right people. Hence the very reasonable price. The PO and I are becoming friends and he's made it clear that if I take him sailing, he'll bring plenty of beer.
02-28-2013 06:09 PM
chef2sail
Re: Make do with wrong boat

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Originally Posted by Andrew Burton View Post
I found a 1981 C&C 40. This is a boat that suits my style of sailing (see Cruising Criteria: How to Pick the Best Cruiser | Sail Magazine for my take on the selection process), which is biased toward performance as I expect I will be moving around a lot the first few years as I explore my neighborhood. I know she is capable offshore as I've sailed one back and forth to the islands and my old boss got caught out between Newport and Bermuda in a good storm that had him feeling "becalmed at 30". He later sailed to the Med and back. Not that she is by any means the ideal offshore boat for everyone, of course.

I got a good survey which found the hull to be dry and sound and the deck to have seven small areas of moisture, which will get fixed next year. I need to give the rig a good going-over, but everything seems sound there. I want to install a windlass and refrigeration. But overall, this ex raceboat has NOT been rode hard and put away wet; the woodwork below is nicer than when it came from the factory and the upholstery and stove are new. As is the canvas on deck. I'll go through the engine compartment and replace the hoses, impeller, zincs, and filters so I have a baseline from which to start maintenance logs. There will be lots of days when the weather isn't great fro pleasure sailing so I can still enjoy the boat by puttering around messing with stuff and getting to know her better.

Below she is very comfortable for the two of us and she has a nice big nav table so I can work while we're anchored somewhere.

The bottom line is that I'm already having fun with her and I won't even get to sail her for the first time for another 55 days and a little under 17 hours. I may never take her offshore...but I could. That's a nice feeling.

I paid less than $50K for her.
Sounds like you got a good deal on her. I have noticed you are a frequent poster on the owners forum. We have one of the little brothers the 35MKIII

Bought her 15 years ago and have always been happy with the combo of racer / cruiser. Even though they can get overpowerd quickly once you learn the sail combo on them to keep them on theor feet, the C&Cs sail very nicely. We bulked our up with 120 galllons of water ( 3 sperate closeable compartments and an aux fuel tank as the tankage on them is small.

Solid boats, stiff, just have to watch the cored decks which you did and the leaky windows.

David...hard to use the work settling when you are talking about a 40 Catalina. Lots pf gopod advice here about new vs old and old vs new.

I am from the old school. Find a boat you like , manufacturer size...look for the best one or wait and refit her. You wont be racing her so the speed improvments of the new designs wont enter the equation, besides many of the older boats like the C&C40, Irwin 38 ( Chuckles) and ours( although to light for me to permantly cruise her) still are quick compared to todays dsigns. Solid hull, new accessories, money to keep going with more upgrades...good combination

Many of my friends who have bought new boats 5-10 years ago are now faced with equipment getting older, more modern electroinics, etc. There hulls are solid too, but they dont have money now to update and upgrade.

Dave
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